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The Texans and Commanders HC's are good coaches that have 2 really good QBs and 2 really good OC's. Their problem will be if the OC's leave, it will take a dip, they always do. That's why Tepper wanted an OC for HC. If Bryce turned out good, the long term relationship is key. The exception was Brady in NE but they didn't win every year like look at KC with Mahomes and Reid. Even Peyton Manning had the same OC for over 10 years.

I would like to see a DT, DE, LB or CB in the 1st round. And then one of the remaining picked in the next few rounds. BPA, the who doesn't matter. I hope they don't take a WR in the 1st, unless they moved back in the 1st and got more 2nd or 3rd round picks.

Bryce can be the franchise QB CLT desperately needs. I believe a top 10 QB if he plays like he did towards the end, but Canales has to keep evolving too for that to continue. He did real good for a 1st year 1st time HC. If we see fans attend off-season things for the Panthers, especially when Bryce is there, that means the confidence in a turn around is high with people, and that's good news for everyone.

Between Bryce and the schemes, those were some really good plays. He faced pressure and showed he could handle it and as the season went on, Canales opened the playbook up more and more and it showed. Looking forward to next season. Very happy for Bryce the person as well as the player.

WE just need a really good speedy receiver with good hands along with an improved XL (hold on to the ball and use his body to box out coverage), Theilen along with Coker, Bryce can have a good year. Coker was a really nice surprise and we needed a break for a change.

I just hope we take DE Carter or Malaki Starks S (or a great edge player) and not another WR with that high of a pick. Or move back a few spaces and get an extra 2nd/3rd round pick but pick defense.

All good comments, both ways. My only point is he did this today with no real #1 WR, no starting 1000+ yard RB, his highest paid lineman out and a defense that had trouble stopping anybody. Give him at least a weapon (like Higgins) and a defense that can be at least middle of the road and he has the tools and a OC/HC that has some structure and play calling skills (DC has a way to go to be real good, but he did make Bryce better) to win and come from behind. I talked with Bryce Friday afternoon. He just looks comfortable and more confident, which probably comes from structure. The more he learns this offense, the better I know he'll be. Consistency is greatness.

I think we are in very good hands. He may not be a top 5, but he's playing damn good for not a lot of weapons around him.

That's my point. Lower expectation to "gradually" work on the team instead of all the outside noise making you feel better than you really are or breaking you down constantly. Small steps. Competitive games no matter the record is what I hoped to see this year.

I am glad we didn't start off really good and fissile out like past regimes. The struggle with Bryce and the benching was just what everybody needed. Look at Stroud and teams like the Giants with Daboll's first year, they surprise everyone and then they can't live up to expectations the following year(s). We looked at Canales and this team as hopeful and saw the struggles from day one. A HC learning on the fly how to be "the leader". A team who had no identity trying to find one in the midst of losing, even benching our #1 draft pick. But having most (fans and media) look past the Panthers as the worst was probably the breather, the space they needed to actually get better. Nobody really cared what or how the Panthers were doing. If we beat KC and/or the Eagles the expectations would have been high again. But playing better, very competitive (without winning) gave the team traction to evaluate the players, make mistakes and not be jumped on by fans and media. We weren't going to playoffs this year and by some chance we slipped in, we would have been a quick out with super high expectations next year. Now, we all just look for continued progress. The team is finding its identity while flying under the radar. The next 2 games with even more injuries, there shouldn't be expectations of winning, just play hard and let's see what the players got. The more the back ups learn the system, the more the system proves it just needs decent players to play within it and not necessarily all to be stars. You can't help but feel Canales, Morgan, Tillis and even Tepper are on the same page. The NFL is not easy and it takes a lot of moving parts to win. A few really good parts and a lot of decent parts working together, FO to the back ups. The future looks bright, how bright? As long as it gradually gets brighter and doesn't die out, we could have a consistently winning team that always has a shot for the playoffs. That's what a winning organization looks like. Look at the many great examples of coaches and FO turning a perennial loser into a winner. It takes time and the right mix of people. That I believe we have.

So far, the High look overview from weeks ago is right on. DE, CB, DT, TE, LB, WR - improve in the one areas with somebody and getting DT Brown back, keep Mayes and Brady C on the O-line, we've got a fighting chance for the division next year. Just saying...

Dang. Hold on to it, we win.

If we draft a WR, I would't until the 2nd or even 3rd round. We need edge, DL or CB with the 1st pick and possibly the 2nd. Speed is great but one that catches everything, a young Thielen/Kupp type.

We may have given up a lot for Bryce, which puts more pressure on the whole trade to work out, but it's coming around. If he plays like a top 15 QB, we can build a team around him. The CMC trade brought us the picks needed and looks like with his injuries to be the right call. A helluva talent, but injury prone. We also did the right thing a not giving Burns the big money as he's done nothing big. Yes, trading with the Rams would have been the biggest robbery of the century but even getting a 2nd was good (we would have only gotten a 3rd as compensation anyway). Those picks shaped what we did and what we are doing and if bryce continues to be better, we have a QB for at least next year and we can see what happens. He did not lose today's game and without Sanders and Coker he didn't have all his weapons and still almost pulled it out. Trust in Morgan and watch Canales get them all on the same page and playing like a team. A few more signings and one more draft and we can be a playoff team (if we kept playing like we have the last few games). Hope! Keep Pounding!

Edge 1st round. CB, LB or DT or another edge with the 2nd and 3rd. After that? We lost Brown and Shaq and DJ just got back. Too many injuries early on to really tell what we have but a competitive team is starting to show up regardless.

Lets be clear, it's still gonna take a few more good games stringed together by Bryce for fans and maybe the FO to feel good about starting him 2025 (maybe signing a legit vet to compete). But it's the best scenario for the team if he works out so they can build around him. He's a good guy and we should be rooting for him (even if you have doubts) until proven otherwise. The only trade/move that didn't look so good is giving up DJax (a solid corner) but there had to be something of why Morgan and Canales didn't mind giving him up.

Start with Bryce, this is like his rookie year. The 1st 2 games proved her was wired wrong and it looks like (we hope) he needed a time out to reset and be the player that was drafted. He's still about a year or more away from being a top 15 QB, if the Panther give him another playmaker or 2 (a top WR and a decent TE) and maintain that line. Canales deserves credit as playing that card correctly to motivate (or refocus) his QB for one last shot to decide his and the Panthers immediate future. As a Panther fans we should hope he keeps improving as we invested so much to get him. CJ Stroud will never have a season like he had, even if he stays a top 10 QB. He's got great character so I'm rooting for Bryce to continue on his positive journey. Canales is playing the week to week thing with bryce perfectly. Nothings guaranteed, earn it weekly which builds consistency and consistency is greatness. Keep the O-line. They've got to extend Brady C, along with Mayes that have a real good 7. Great job Morgan starting with the big guys upfront. I really hope they draft a DE or OLB in the 1st round. Getting Brown back with A Robinson and what DJ has shown that we can have a decent D-line. Need a CB in the early rounds/ or a time FA to go with Horn. The future as to next year being good enough to challenge for the division is within reach. Just show progress (win or lose) every week. Kudos to Dan Morgan. Plays GM like a LB. Tackle the problem and move on, don't just hope it works out. Find guys with your playing mentality and work closely with your HC to share a vision. Teamwork starts at the top and flows down.

I really believe the playbook is simple because of so many rookies and a 1st year offense. New O-line players (but vets) with now a 2nd year center. 3 rookies at WR and TE. I hope as they grow it keeps opening up and Canales feels he can trust them. Same on defense. Rookie MLB, rookies on the DL. A rookie at slot DB. But right now he's always said, just do the basics and be good at it, then you can develop into more. Good steps early enough to save the season as in it gives the team and fans hope for the future as to they are building in the right direction. A good showing, even if we lose against KC will be another nice step forward.

If Bryce plays good we either give him another year and keep building OR get a decent pick for him the better he plays. Would you take Sam Darnold back? Or someone like him? I think taking a QB with a high draft pick is a possibly another 2 year set back if it doesn't work out. Next year they can be competitive and really be rolling by 2026 with the right moves.

Bryce plays better every game and finishes with decent stats and a few wins? Doesn't have to set records, just keep improving. DJ Wonnum is back to being healthy at DE and helps generates pressure and a few sacks with Clowney? Adam comes back as the slot receiver and between him Coker and X, they start getting around 300+ yards as a group per game? What if JT Sanders is the real deal and is developing into a top 10 TE? What if MLB Wallace is a more than solid player in the mold of a Dan Morgan? What happens if Brooks is a great 1-2 punch with Chuba and they average well over 100 yards per game? What happens in Horns stays healthy and we have a true shut down corner? What is the O-line continues it's dominance? 4 wins or 6 wins, maybe even 7, doesn't matter. The team shows improvement and plays like a team and it was injuries and a new mentality needed by the team and HC to turn this around. Would you be supportive? Still negative (same old Panthers)? Looks like to me we had a turn around year to be positive about and few more add ons (draft & FA) and this team could at least compete for the playoffs in 2026. Health is #1 and having a system in place for a 2nd year would be huge. No matter how the year finishes, those points are what I'm rooting for.

They probably announced he's going to be release so somebody that wants/needs him may give up a 7th round pick. This happens quite often. Just gotta see if they get something for him.

More picks in the mid rounds the better (obviously the higher the better). Keep Chuba with Brooks (and Blackshear) for next season and beyond. WR Johnson (I like, but understand the business) is a potential trade to a team WR needy (ie: Chiefs). Maybe you get a 6th for Mingo. I would not trade Horn or Brown. Keep the O-line together (or as much as possible). Miles Sanders might get a 5th or 6th if we eat some of the contract to a team in need. Even Dalton could get you a pick if any injuries happen in the league and we are back to playing Young (which I believe deserves another shot). We all need to see, especially the Panthers before the off-season. Canales needs time and his players. By the end of next year we should see a direction (hopefully up) leading to a 2026 playoff contender. These are the lean years but we have to try and stay supportive.

I can see the Panthers trading Miles Sanders away and either eating his contract for a higher pick and getting a very low pick for the other team to take it on. I can see them trading D Johnson for a 2nd to the Chiefs, maybe a 2nd (2025) and a 6th in 2026. They need a WR bad. I can see B Young to the Dolphins for a 3rd and a 7th. If teams get desperate. There's a fine balance between giving up and still trying to win (even if you don't win). Miles and Young have the least impact on the performance. Even though we lost Sunday, we all kind of felt maybe we could pull it out on offense, we just have too many injuries on defense. We'll get guys back soon. Give the Panthers/Canales credit, they have shown just because they pay or draft somebody, they will do what ever it takes to try and win and they should have our support and patience to hopefully get where we all want them to be.

I just hope fans turn up loud and stay supporting even if we struggle. We just might pull it out with some juice in the building.

If he gets an extra 2 year deal out of a few more games like last week, that buys the Panthers time to figure out the long term QB move. I wonder what Canales would have done with having Darnold this year?