musicman

Your thoughts? I don't think the trade up or even down value system stays exactly in place this year. Look at all the bad trades that hurt teams that give away too much (49ers for Lance, even us w/the Bears set us back). What trade up except Mahomes/KC was it really a great trade for the team giving up a lot? Same with trading down. Teams will know you don't want to pick and they won't be giving the store to move up because there is not a generational talent to do that for. Now, I believe these possibilities. The Giants probably won't take QB-Sanders at 3, it's too much pressure if it doesn't work. They don't really need another edge rusher with Carter. I can see them possibly saving face, trade down to even the Panthers at 8 but not asking for a kings ransom. A 1st round swap, a 3rd and 4th and maybe next years 2nd and 4th could be enough without giving up too much. The Giants save in pay and in public opinion and then they can take Sanders or even another QB. For the Panthers to drop down, it has to mean their top 3 picks are not there. Do they take TE-Warren if he drops in their lap at 8 (I do like that)? I believe they would love to drop back but again I don't think teams will pay a lot to move up unless they want a QB before the Saints (our only hope for a good value). I'm not picking a player, just thinking of the draft in general and value. Reaching doesn't work and more and more teams are realizing that.

I think it's a possibility of them moving to #3 with the Giants for Carter because.. The Giants can't take Sanders at 3, it's too high (and too much pressure). Get a 3rd and 4th round and maybe a next year 2nd (not too steep) and they save face and get their man and we get ours. If the price is too much, Morgan won't do it. It's the same for us. We wouldn't mind moving back a couple of spaces but teams won't give up too much. If our top 3 picks are gone at 8, people might not give us a ton to move, but we may get something and still get a good player at 12-15 or so. I don't think teams will over pay to move up this year, so the next best thing is get what you can and still get a decent pick.

Exactly what I was going to post (1st paragraph) after reading through some posts. We are probably picking 8th, hope we get it right.

I think it has more to do with the type of player and fitting the system. Morgan is looking for certain type players. Players that love the game, not just good at playing football. Players who put team maybe before personal goals. Let's hope that's what's going on. With the way Canales is a players coach, but has proven already (with Bryce) to make the tough call when needed for the team, maybe he just needs the right players. Team chemistry will beat a few really talented players every time.

One more WR and a TE and with our O-line and Bryce improving, we could have a solid year (maybe 8-9 wins) and battle for a playoff spot. A good O-line makes any QB/offense look good.

So far they have the RB, DE, DT, LB and 1 safety, resigned their CB. I still expect a WR and/or TE and another CB. Then go into the draft in a good spot of not really needs but to strengthen.

If TE Warren is there at 8th, take him. Just get a CB and a DE/OLB in the next 2 rounds. They did good enough on defense with FA signing to have flexibility. Still hope they sign Kupp or someone reliable like him.

Being active and signing high priced FAs might be 2 different things. Willis said they want to have a team they could play with - before the draft. Thats another WR, TE and RB on offense. That's a DE. DT, CB, LB and 2 safeties. I expect them to sign all of that, maybe not all A or even B level, but enough to fill the roster. Then they can draft BPA and look at positions and decide which is more important or gather even more picks.

Actually Josh Allen had a great year without Diggs. We need our defense to give the ball back to the offense. A great WR can't do that.

I would expect them to kind of follow last years model. Sign 1 or 2 really good FA quickly, then wait a week or so and then get a few on the secondary market, signing to fill as many holes as possible before the draft with more affordable guys, small 1 to 2 year contracts. I would guess a DE and maybe a S or CB to take the pressure off the draft. I see a cheaper WR in FA and not in the draft, or at least a high round pick. This would give the max flexibility to take that TE, or move down and pick up a extra pick or take who ever falls to them (BPA).

Did you watch the video? Justin Jefferson has amazing stats but the Vikings have won nothing in the playoffs with him. In fact he was basically shut down. Having a really good QB is important, but so is an offensive line, add a good OC too and you need running game. Football needs balance so the thread was about do we really need a true #1 of just a few really good WRs, a good catching TE and a running game to be balanced enough to win... in the playoffs. Steve Smith took a few years, he had Mushin on the other side and Walls at TE and great RBs.

Personally I think we need more Adam Thielen's. Kupp would be nice. Guys who can run but know how to get open and move the chains. Coker will be nice with another year under his belt. I would rather have a great TE who can catch and run with Adam, Coker and a Kupp like WR, along with X. Heck Lockett would be an upgrade from David Moore.

But to the Cowherd's point, you don't need the best WR as the teams that win in the playoffs don't have that (facts he listed). Yes to a fast guy who can catch to roll coverages, but to spend $30+ mil may not be worth it. A balance team that can run and pass, with a TE that can do both will be better every time.

https://x.com/TheHerd/status/1897715645858423027?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1897720917888815363|twgr^df54b53cd64f2deb8318934fc606ff7b9528303c|twcon^s2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpantherswire.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fpanthers%2F2025%2F03%2F06%2Fnfl-trade-rumors-panthers-sehawks-dk-metcalf%2F81791576007%2F The stats back up you don't need one to win in the playoffs.

That draft only works if we sign a top DL and Edge rusher as our 2 biggest FA signings/trade. And a very good CB (either trade or FA). Top Defensive players are needed.