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I mean, why make it more than it is? Jones just tries to produce content, whatever it is, and the article is based on another's opinion about UDFAs who have the best shot at making the NFL for each team (and we see these types of articles every year). I don't think anyone is necessarily trying to hype Bam Martin-Scott. In fact, I'd gather that most NFL types, including these writers, would bet that we add a starter-level LB before the regular season. In the meantime, we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Yeah, but by basically all accounts by those that matter, he's been working hard. I'm not gonna hate on him for having fun along the way as long as that's the case. Moreover, Jaycee came in with an advantage over most: he grew up in the NFL (so to speak). Of course he came in with an elite mentality. Now I'm not suggesting that some players don't, but mentality, especially, evolves with maturity, and many of us have been watching football long enough (and lived long enough) to know that maturity, growth and evolution isn't a cookie cutter type of proposition.

The NFL is really not-for-long in most cases. Hell, as I've mentioned before, even second rounders have a 49 percent chance of being on the street, according to Google AI, after four years.

Hey, at least your opinion is honest and insightful. I would've never thought about the comparison as critically as you have hadn't you posted it.

Where are all the, uh, "USC" fans at? I know its South Carolina, but I've seen their fans in here on the regular. What do y'all have to say? That's really why I started the thread: for the perspective of someone who is really familiar with the kid.

Yeah, I expected some hate, notwithstanding X essentially admitting his imperfections in so many words. At this point, unless X is a stud, there may be people that talk sh¡t about him regardless of how he improves on the field. I hope that's not the case. In many minds, expectations for X (and, perhaps, a timetable for success however that looks like) were probably unrealistic in the first place.

According to Anthony Rizzuti of Panthers Wire, the four standouts are (FWIW): Hunter Renfrow Jimmy Horn Princely Umanmielen Demani Richardson The Huddle has discussed Renfrow, Horn, and Umanmielen. There hasn't been too much discussion about Richardson

Dean Jones of Cat Crave does provide a relatively lot of Panthers content. Granted, some of it seems like forced filler with a "clickbaity" title, but he provides food for thought sometimes. Now he's saying, "Panthers may have found their Josey Jewell replacement without even trying." Of course, I don't think that teams do any acquisitions without trying; team building is about detail. That aside, Jones referred to an article by Bleacher Report's Brett Sobleski, an NFL analyst that suggests that Martin-Scott has a legit shot at making the team due to the Panthers' quality and lack of depth at the LB position. "An upward trajectory is what every NFL team is looking for when it comes to a young player entering the professional ranks. Carolina Panthers linebacker Bam Martin-Scott fits the bill. He is an aggressive defender with a quick trigger, and he's going to deliver a blow upon contact. Those traits can also take him out of position. Still, he has "admirers" among the Panthers' coaching staff, according to Darin Gantt of the team's official site. The Panthers aren't particularly deep or good at linebacker, which opens a pathway for anyone to secure a spot." Now I don't know how good we'll be. As a Panthers fan, admittedly, I think that we're going to be better, but I think the play of Trevin Wallace will go a long way towards making or breaking the room as a whole. I'd also add that Christian Rozeboom is coming off his best season (and can hopefully be somewhere in the vicinity of Jewell in terms of play). But we're not necessarily either good or deep at the position on paper, and like Dean Jones thinks, I expect us to add an experienced vet. But I'd like to ask the opinions of the Huddle, of which many are South Carolina fans, does Martin-Scott have a realistic chance of being a replacement level LB, much less a legit NFL starter. You've seen him play, so what's the deal? He has his "admirers" among the the coaches, but is it really warranted, and if so how much? https://catcrave.com/panthers-may-have-found-josey-jewell-replacement-without-even-trying

Point taken, but he has to learn. I'd say that he certainly had problems with drops, but I don't remember any fumbling issues. He's young. I don't know that he was talking about thinking about improving while he's literally playing, as much as he's thinking about improving catching before regular season begin. The good thing about the Jugs machine, and any type of practice, is that it leads to muscle memory, which of course leads to not having to think about playing, but just playing. We'll hope for the best.

I mean, I think that we've been using them, but, like you're suggesting, maybe to a higher degree now. I would caution though to not take it out of context. It's simply a tool. The importance of it and its priority can't really be judged by us from the outside looking in. On kind of an off note, sure PFF (CFF) had Bryce ranked as the highest rated QB when he came out, but I heard a PFF analyst say that "stature" was very important in the discussion between Young and Stroud as well, and honestly he didn't know that Young would or should be the first taken. Context and the bigger picture hav to be taken into account.

Which is all I was saying from the get.

The bad thing is that Xavier Legette kind of ignored the Jugs machine his rookie season. The good thing is that he's committed to it now. Catching is important to an NFL receiver (sarcasm), but, perhaps just as important is a receiver's---any player's---mindset. "This offseason, the young wideout has gotten back to something in terms of preparation (Jugs machine). 'Oh man, it’s always been something I’ve done, and I don’t know why, but I felt like I could take a little breath,' explained Legette (via Darin Gantt of Panthers.com). 'And when you’re playing in this game, you can never do that. It’s always a way to get better, and that’s one of the ways to help with catching. For sure, for sure. In my mind, I’m thinking about ways, things I can do. What can I do to have less drops this coming season in Year 2? 'The whole mindset has changed, man,' added Legette. 'Trying to do anything I got to. I’m sacrificing a lot of things that I used to do outside of the building to put my work inside the building.'" https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/xavier-legette-focused-on-reducing-drops-that-plagued-rookie-year-with-panthers-01k1692c0tz9 So, yeah, it wasn't good coming in taking some things for granted, but Legette is young. His mentality appears to have changed and he appears to be maturing and he's been putting in a lot of work by all accounts. I know some of you are down on him, but I still have faith. Last season was a disjointed mess in its entirety, but there were still some flashes, particularly with route running. With Legette's seemingly better fit as the WR2, mindset and focus---doing his actual job catching the ball---he should be able to improve. Lastly, I'd like to add, props to Legette for being so open about the need to improve and change his mindset. Some guys wouldn't necessarily admit that publicly. If nothing else, he's honest and down-to-earth.

And to be honest, we weren't really talking about PFF grades either. I brought it into the conversation via a pic that's LLM-related (which apparently some Huddlers took issue with) as an aside for providing more specificity than just sheer numbers

If their grading system is based upon stats, then...but keep on splitting hairs, as it suits your narrative.

PFF uses the term "context normalized-scoring," which is based upon statistics. Hell, any serious metric or analytic systems are based upon stats and expectations, and looks at what players do against those expectations, but If you don't think that stats play any part in a players grades, be wrong. At the end of the day, it's heady anyway, so everyone is not going to understand everything. I'm done with this conversation for now. But just know, it's OK to be wrong.

PFF uses these metrics in player evaluations, and use those to come up with player grades. It's NOT separate. My god!

I never said that it was "the greatest player evaluations tool," but it is a tool. You have to know how to use the tools, so...obviously PFF guys should know how to do that.

They're explaining it, but they're still using stats, just within the context of their system. Damn, man.

You're full of it. Stats are fundamental to their system.

What are all these? Could they be stats? Coverage Metrics Several standard metrics are commonly used to evaluate players' effectiveness in pass coverage. These include passer rating allowed, yards allowed per coverage snap, completion percentage allowed and PFF's 0-100 coverage grade. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-advanced-coverage-grade?utm_source=chatgpt.com To say that PFF doesn't use stats in its grading is simply incorrect, period.

You're right, but they also use stats in the NFL per my last post, as you're so obviously trying to deny.

Pass-Blocking Stats PFF collects many stats that help define each block. https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-pass-protection?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.pff.com/news/pff-fc-all-you-need-to-know-about-how-grades-are-calculated?utm_source=chatgpt.com To establish the expectation for each grade, PFF uses statistical models. These models learn what typically happens in a given scenario for each facet of play by using characteristics of the event as explanatory variables and the given play-by-play grade as the response variable.

No need to review data according to some. What is this "data" of which you speak? Could it be advanced statistics? Surely not!