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You obviously have a problem with people making a point and supporting a point. The ONLY thing that I have taken personal in this place is personal attacks. In my experience, the only ones that question a person's intelligence and use terms like "midwit," are those that take things personally and have questionable intelligence themselves. I already know that I'm intelligent, and some twit on a message board isn't going to change my mind. If you don't want to discuss football-related issues on a football message board, then why are you here? That's a rhetorical question.

And, by the way, there is such a word as "inference," and the phrase, "reading between the lines," (though it has literally been said in this thread that Cherelus is easy to replace). But, I've already said that I doubt the coaches, to a man, would agree that Cherelus is so easily replaced. That's a simplistic notion in my opinion. This is the NFL, not some peewee league.

The point of a football message board is to discuss issues or potential issues regarding the the team. The point of the linked article, like any thoughtful fan knows, is that we're likely to pick up a linebacker because we need to pick up a linebacker. Moreover, the point is is that I ended the original post with, "I guess we'll see come cuts." As for Cherelus, this season now, if people think he's so easily replaceable, that's there opinion, but that's really not the point, but I can almost guarantee that the coaches as a unit would disagree with that point.

What I learned from this thread: any ol' linebacker off the waiver wire will do when it comes to backups. They all come with the same strengths and weakness, and are basically carbon copy throwaways. Equally of no importance, is their importance on special teams.

Show me where our depth chart, first or otherwise, doesn't come from the coaches (I wouldn't expect it to come from the FO). Who makes it? The media team? The ball boy? And, I think everyone realizes that it's not set in stone, but to say it shouldn't be taken seriously? I guess. Depth charts are a reflection of what coaches are seeing at the time.

What difference does that make? Are any of you suggesting that we shouldn't replace a backup, especially for a position that's already considered a weakness? Everyone wants to act like someone is Chicken Little for discussing potential common sense moves. That's what the Huddle has devolved to over the years.

Most of the Browns starters ain't even playing. No Jeudy. No Njoku. No Cedric Tillman. Frame it however you want, we have no business losing.

Rhule was a fugup for more than one reason and his own specific reasons. Dan Morgan has really proven to be different. I'm not going to look at moves by Dan Morgan through the same prism or within the same context.

I can agree with that. I just think that some of you are thinking that you know more than they do regarding what's NFL-level talent, the degrees of that talent in relation to what we'd offer in a trade, what player(s) will fit the preferred defensive scheme, and that they're gonna buy "Band-Aids" with undervalued and relatively important draft capital. I feel that they're doing their best not to put us in that situation. Dan Morgan was a good LB for goodness sakes. He knows something about the position. He probably knows how to value one correctly also.

I mean, I mentioned cuts. That being said, I'm going to trust that Dan and Dave know what they're doing however they address the situation (or not).

It's been well over 24 hours, and I'm surprised that no one here has talked about Claudin Cherelus going down, and the fact that there hasn't been any new updates as of yet. He has a "groin issue," but how long is he expected to be down? Sure, we signed Krys Barnes a few days ago, but he was meant to be depth. If either Christian Rozeboom or Trevin Wallace go down, a perceived weakness is now even weaker, and that's before we even get to the season. Our old Panthers Wire friend Tim Weaver, now turned to SI thinks that Morgan has to acquire someone. "Looking ahead, Rozeboom and Trevin Wallace are projected to start for the Panthers. If either one of them were to go down, it could mean a guaranteed disaster in the middle of this defense. General manager Dan Morgan has little choice but to sign a proven vet at this spot before the season begins." https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/carolina-panthers-jaycee-horn-update-car-accident I guess we'll see come cuts.

Tetairoa McMillan is outstanding reading defenses, is highly underrated going across the middle, and finds the soft spot in defenses and gets YAC after the catch. Any QB lives that.

See, I agree with you about the "elite" defense part (we're at least a season away), but I don't know where you guys get off calling Lloyd JAG.

Like Shedeur Sanders...I know that I thought about it that third day. Perhaps they like what they see out of Jack Plummer. He seems to be developing.

The Panthers.

First of all, Dan and Dave ostensibly know what they're doing, and, second, if Renfrow (or anyone) gets as bad as y'all are hypothesizing, then there's the IR. Renfrow isn't the type of receiver to simply be discounted over an injury that the team is being cautious with during preseason. Coker has already established himself, and I don't think that he's going to be jettisoned to keep anyone. Moore is a journeyman with established ties to the organization. As for Horn, he's not a lock to make the team. He's a rookie trying to make the team that has done some good things in practice, but is still down the depth chart because he needs development. At the end of the day, I trust Dan and Dave to do what's right for the team. They're the ones with a clear view of the big picture.

We do know that we have an above average O-line and running backs. That's good. We know that the interior D-line is above average. We know that Jaycee Horn is above average (when on the field). Mike Jackson played slightly above average last year---well enough. The problem (and maybe the solution) is that we are a young team, and frankly we don't know what we have in the rookies or some of the second-year players, or our QB to be perfectly honest, but there's some hope. We'll know soon.

I mean, you keep saying that, but Gruden was wrong. It is pretty accepted for people in a specific ethnic group to use disparaging terms about one another, but it's entirely different if someone outside a specific racial group talks about someone in another disparagingly. It is two totally different things. Gruden knew that. Everyone, not living in a hole, knows that. Moreover, he used other misogynistic and homophobic language reportedly several instances over several years. The NFL, and many companies, aren't going to allow that. It's bad for business. That being said, if someone wants to give him another chance, it's OK. In fact, he was never banned or even suspended. https://sports.yahoo.com/article/nfl-insider-gets-honest-jon-180754888.html I will say that technically he doesn't represent the NFL until he's employed by the NFL. That hasn't been since 2021. But it sounds like he's going to get his chance to officially rep the league again. He just has to play nice.

It was a mixed bag. @hepcat tried to tell these mofos (page 5, I believe), and got shitted by a dozen people. There were dissenters amidst the praise choir. LOL

That would be fine...if Wharton wasn't the better run defender.

He's just getting respect right now, as he's the vocal leader of the defense. Wharton has been making his mark in camp is the general sense that I get. They didn't pay him that money to ride the bench.

Forgot the damned link, didn't I? https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-release-first-depth-chart-of-2025 Oh, and the link is actually working now. https://www.panthers.com/team/depth-chart

Like Gantt said, there are really no surprises based upon observations in camp.

Well the link is not working for some reason at the moment (maybe they'll fix it), but until then I guess I'll give us a little to discuss. This is hardly an article (so hopefully they won't complain about copyrights). Almost in its entirety, Per Darrin Gantt's "article:" "On offense, Tetairoa McMillan, Adam Thielen, and Xavier Legette are listed as the starters at wide receiver. "David Moore, Hunter Renfrow, and Jalen Coker are listed behind them, respectively on the chart. "On defense, the starting line is listed as Derrick Brown and A'Shawn Robinson at defensive end, with Bobby Brown III at defensive tackle. The chart has Tershawn Wharton listed behind Robinson. "Patrick Jones II and D.J. Wonnum are listed as the starters at outside linebacker, with Princely Umanmielen behind Jones, and Nic Scourton and DJ Johnson behind Wonnum. "At safety, Tre'von Moehrig and Nick Scott are listed as the starters, with Demani Richardson and Lathan Ransom backing them up, respectively. "Veteran Matthew Wright is listed as the first kicker ahead of rookie Ryan Fitzgerald..."

I'll believe it when I see it. I didn't think that he was better than Ward on draft night, and I still don't think it. Provided the Browns name Shedeur the starter (which I know is unlikely right now), I still say Cam Ward has the edge. It's arguable which offense and team are better overall. The Titans defense was very good last season. All that being said, I don't think Sanders will be at out Ward for OROY.