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Yep, I'd be shocked if we pass him up (without trading down for other picks, that is).

Don't really know why you guys don't believe that Warren is a conventional TE. I mean, he is a conventional TE, and had a highly productive year as a TE in a big-boy conference. The Taysom Hill comp is fugazi.

Been wondering about you. Glad to hear you're doing fine. The Panthers are the Panthers, so no need to get overly excited or overly nonplussed. It's a wait-and-see approach, like we've become accustomed to. One day during the 2020s, maybe we'll finally get to say, "They know what they're doing." Until then, who knows?

I don't think anyone that was realistic thought that he could afford the team. Just imagine if he had swung it, the Panthers would be looking for a new owner right now.

Hunter was on McMillan for five passes. McMillan caught 3 passes for 15 yards while Hunter covered him. He also made a first down, and a touchdown while being covered by Hunter. So, you might call that being shut down, but I don't. I'd also add that game script means something as well. Even though Colorado was running a lot, Tet got his yards, and the way that the NFL is, with the chess game of creating mismatches, I would think that Tet will largely be productive as well. Of course there are no guarantees, but we can only speculate and try to project at this point. I'm certainly not going to read into playing this team or that team--feasting on bad teams and leveling out against good teams--because that happens every Sunday as well if people are being honest. I can appreciate your opinion and skepticism, but we all must acknowledge that we're all just guessing to a degree based upon our analyses (or simply generalities, desires or nothing at all in regards to some of us) that aren't necessarily free from inherent biases based upon whatever reasons.

Why are some of y'all discounting the part where he said he doesn't like watching it by himself because he watches it with coaches and the receiver group? The fact is is that since that video, he's been as productive as ever. His stats are more indicative than a 2023 vid regarding his efficacy as a pro receiver.

Well, with so many questions about Walker, Stewart, Williams, Tet, etc., you're not excited about the thought of a TE at eight? I ain't afraid of Tyler Warren, and I believe he's one of the better prospects of this draft in regards to the least amount of question marks. It would seem like more people would be---at the very least---good with Warren.

He looks like he knows how to slip a block with relative ease due to smarts, as he uses a combination of leverage (his and theirs) and strength. Pretty impressive.

I mean, it is the lying season, and people, including scouts and execs, try to fool people, including themselves, but for us skipping on Graham without getting a small haul in return would be egregious. https://sports.yahoo.com/article/three-michigan-football-players-espn-010325928.html Graham pops on tape, as you'll see him causing constant problems from his 3-technique alignment. The 6-foot-4, 296-pounder had 3.5 sacks and 7.5 tackles for loss in 2024. He is powerful enough to anchor in the running game while also being quick enough to knife through gaps and make plays in the backfield. One AFC East scout summed it up to me by saying that Graham "never loses snaps." He consistently beats the player in front of him and has the tools to be an NFL star. I mean, I'm not really questioning what Charlie heard, but there are others, like this scout, and like Wink Martindale who aren't buying the narrative about short arms and being "small." I would be damned happy if he fell to us (as Daniel Jeremiah's latest mock prognosticates), and I don't believe we'd pass him up.

I don't think there's anything short of four picks on days one and two that are going to lead us to skip on Mason Graham if he falls to us.

Honestly, it may be the perfect time to trade back. For me, the draft is ALWAYS about value. This draft reportedly seems to have a deeper spread of starters possibly through the mid to even late second round, but there is a decided drop-off somewhere between picks 5 to 8 in regards to top-shelf guys. That being said, depending upon this deaft's dynamics, trading down would likely be advantageous if you can score at least another second rounder. Tet isn't before the drop by most accounts (but Tyler Warren is).

Nope, not trying to be controversial, just factual. This is a message board, and for me it's just a discussion among--many of us--longtime buddies. Of course we have some pricks, but that's the Internet. What I will say is that it's fair game to discuss Tet's 40 time(s), and if there is a controversy (which I guess there is among NFL types), he is the author of it, as he refused to run it at the Combine. I'm generally a Tet guy, so I believe he can at least be an effective chain-mover and threats in the Red zone. I woukd prefer to think that that's his floor and not his ceiling. Now all the "he's a top [this]" or "he's gonna be a top [that]", for me, doesn't amount to a hill of beans. He's going to have to come into the NFL and prove that he'll be able to separate enough and catch against pro DBs on a consistent basis. Once he is able to do that and establish some type of track record (no pun intended), then we can start rating and slotting him in regards to his peers. On an off note, if Mason Graham slides, I think we have to take him. I don't think Carter is sliding. After Graham and maybe Jalon Walker, it's all up in the air. To be honest, I might give Tyler Warren the edg over Tet though--might--due to versatility and "dawg" factor, but I go back and forth with several of these guys.

Huh? Upon further research, there is a little bit of a controversy, as scouts there clocked him any where between 4.54-4.57 (still not super slow, but not fast either).

I mean, we can say that about every player. Some Huddlers are digging out Warren even more. I see players who have been effective last season (Warren supremely so). I've seen relative speed in spurts, but like Dude intimated, when you have that size and ability to use that big body effectively, relatively good speed is some degree of a bonus.

So, let's talk about this. Tetairo McMillan isn't as slow as some thought, eh? https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1902369720810045938?t=2WCnuZCv_tQzpff87NVFyA&s=19

Honestly, I don't think the deal is anywhere near "egregious" territory, especially with how it's set up. Was it an overpay? Yeah. Was it a worthy gamble considering the market? That's debatable. Was it earth shattering and will it set us back for years? Nah. If he plays up to his contract and meats those markers, it will actually be a good deal when all things are said and done.

Ain't Elijah Moore still available?

Yeah, Morgan needs to KISS.

Exactly!

I'm good with that!

Well, Jon, like my mother-in-law used to say, "What you don't see will make a whole 'nother world." There's some wisdom in that. One thing about it, there's just about zero chance that only three guys in this draft actually are "blue chip players." We just have to actually identify which ones (may be zero chance of that as well).

The damned Eagles out there getting Dawgs for real, and the Panthers out there loading up on 'cocks. Gotdamn!

I'm thinking he was most excited about Jayden Higgins (even though he had him at eight). He was certainly excited about Higgins' upside. He obviously likes Golden and Egbuka as well. I think he believes there are too many questions about McMillan to take him high, the biggest one the way I decided to interpret it is whether Tet has that dawg in him. He didn't say any player is "him" or anything like that, but watch someone say Smitty had poor evaluations this time next year.

You'd think that Smitty is saying all these guys some are complaining about as future HoFers. He gives his honest analysis and leaves room for a player to succeed or fail based upon how they develop and where and how they're developed. He's not going to be overly negative.