Newtcase

Burn the tape, entire team shat the bed.  Trying to take any meaningful information from today is futile.  I’m not sold on Bryce, have been very critical of him, and encouraged by his recent play.  Bryce hasn’t played well when pressured, that’s really all there is to take from today.  

I’m 100% encouraged by how competitive the team has been recently.  We still don’t know how to win but the fight is there and the team and staff are improving without doubt.  It has been a long time since we saw improvement.  It feels like we’re on the right track and that now includes Bryce.  I’m actually eager to watch the team play.  I’ve been very critical of Bryce and it was deserved at the time.  He’s playing much better of late and he deserves credit for that now.

Bryce played a solid game and gave the team a chance today.  It’s hard to know if this is an outlier, a stepping stone or the ceiling.  He earned the next start.

3 hours ago, Newtcase said:

It’s tied early!

It’s tied late!

It’s tied early!

The lack of production is especially surprising given how much effort the team put into coaxing the best from him.  In just six short years he’s had the opportunity to work with 3 different GMs, 7 different head coaches and 10 different starting quarterbacks.  There’s literally no excuse to be made that one of those combos didn’t work.  It might be time to look withIAN.

Bryce has already failed.  Why is this worded as if it’s yet to happen.  I’d prefer he not be on the team at all at this point. 

Superb owl?

Many things can be true at the same time.

Stroud is good.

Stroud isn’t the same good every game.

Talent on the team matters.

Panthers have no talent.

Bryce sucks.

These are all true at once.  What Stroud would have done here is unknowable and a matter of conjecture and opinion. My opinion is Stroud would be better than Bryce in ANY situation of equal footing.

I think everyone in the NFL is constantly in win now mode.  No patience or vision will ever get enough rope to develop if it doesn’t work in the first couple years.  Beyond that, NFL maturity and situation make a ton of difference.  Geno, Baker and Darnold are great examples of being better than their reputation under different coaches and situations.

It has to start with being an outlier athlete first though.  You can’t coach size and speed into someone.

How there can be this many terrible teams in a league with 60 years of experience in building a model of parity is frankly quite amazing.

You won't find a ton of support for hyperbole and conjecture.  Sources...name them.

19 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Again, we gave Pittsburgh a 5th and got back a 7th in the DJ for DJ swap. The 5th we got from Baltimore is cancelled by the 5th we gave Pittsburgh.

So we really got a 7th for Diontae, Donte and a 6th.

Not sure why you're saying we gave Pittsburgh a 5th, we gave them a 6th, pick #178 to be exact which they used to draft Logan Lee.  I don't need mental gymnastics, picks don't cancel each other out, they become real people.  Michael Jackson is a real person on this roster.

What we gave is: Donte Jackson, 2024 #178 (became Logan Lee), Diontae Johnson, 2025 6th and 9.3 million dollars.

What we received is: 2024 #240 -> Michael Barrett -> Michael Jackson, 2025 5th, and 7 games played by Diontae Johnson as a Panther.

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Last time we "weren't having a firesale" we drew the line between Moore/McCaffrey and Burns.  

36 minutes ago, Newtcase said:

So we essentially traded, Donte Jackson, Diontae Johnson and next years 6th for Baltimores 2025 5th.

So updating this to include the pick swaps with the Jackson trade and $.

We traded Donte Jackson, Diontae Johnson, 2024 6th and a 2025 6th in EXCHANGE for a 2024 7th and 2025 6th and are paying all but $625k of Diontae's remaining salary, which means we gave the dude 9.3mil to play 7 games for us.

Sidenote: (The 7th from Pitt was used to draft Michael Barrett, who we traded to Seattle for Michael Jackson, so I guess that's a win)

4 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Ravens ain’t winning a damn thing 

They just won this trade.

So we essentially traded, Donte Jackson, Diontae Johnson and next years 6th for Baltimores 2025 5th.

This is just more shame on the team.  Yeah the situation sucks, the best anyone can do in this situation is work on themselves, the team is a disaster.  It's still very much an individual opportunity though and part of that is being a professional.  Jawing with an opposing coach after getting run through is not professional.

The only silver lining is we are becoming a galvanized fan base now.  True suffering, true misery….hopeless, helpless, people don’t even laugh at us anymore, they just pity us.  
 

The next time a Cam Newton walks through the door half of us won’t be taking it for granted and shitting on the guy for not being perfect.  Now we all know how good we really had it.

It’s funny to me that are still people putting in solid effort posts on how to fix this team.  We have been in a constant downward spiral, a descent with seemingly no end.  We have found new lows when we thought we were already as low as you can go.  There’s some romantic idea of just hitting rock bottom where the only place to go is up.  That’s a fairy tale….our real fate is purgatory, which seems far more likely than any rebound.  

What would a shrimp need to do to convince you it's a shark?  

Nothing, it isn't possible....a shrimp isn't a shark.

Will Plummer be active?  Good chance he sees snaps if so.

Morgan brought the house down Saturday.

Morgan Wallen.

Diontae quit on the route, this team is a disaster.

Offense keeping the defense off the field.  Nice change.