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Carson Wentz is on the table too.

1. Rhule hasn't been the problem today...yet 2. Rhule has been the problem before. Both of these things can be true.

Under Matt Rhule opponents scored 17 or more in 74% of the games. When scoring 17 or more opponents won 96% of the games. Do we hold the Saints under 17?

That we were close.

It may be due to our ownership. I think the perennially bad teams start at the very top. To this point David Tepper has not inspired any confidence that he can get the right people in place or that he'll move on in a timely manner when it becomes obvious he has the wrong people. Watching Sean McDermott walk across the field after Buffalo's win last night is just soul crushing. That man is carved from self discipline and was on our staff. Watching Ken Dorsey's wry smile as he packed up his OC package in the booth, that man was on our staff. I didn't see Beane, but damn, that man was on our staff. Oh, and they were all on our staff in 2015. Notice any difference between Buffalo and Carolina since those departures? All the talent left the building and what was left behind and hired since is just a stinking pile of poo. What we have saps immediate hope. What we don't know about this staff or future staff saps short term hope. Overall talent, traded draft picks and coaching carousel dampens long term hope. Yeah it's a pretty dark view at the moment.

Matt Rhule gonna trip over his boner when he see's that ESPN ranking.

So… 0-2* *The Panthers were close

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Love your avatar because I'm adopting Buffalo this year. Still a Panther's fan first and always. However, have always been a McDermott fan and letting him get away when we could have cut Ron early was a huge mistake for this franchise. It certainly seems like McDermott knew where to the raid the pantry as well with so many Carolina pieces ending up in Buffalo and the franchises going in polar opposite directions. Either way, there is little to no conflict in rooting for the Bills and it'll at least provide an interesting team to follow while we suffer through this Panthers regime.

Hey look Ma I made it! Everything coming up aces!

I suppose you didn't see the off tackle run with a few minutes left in the 4th up 21 then.

Respect. I think most teams are teetering in the sense of relying on their starting QB to play well and stay healthy. We're a Baker hangnail away from PJ being #1. Ostensibly, Brady should be more fragile than Baker but Brady is quite experienced in managing risk on the field and will make sound business decisions. I tend to believe if Tom didn't think he had it anymore he would walk away, but that's my perception of how I think he should value his legacy. He may very well just be another guy that plays too long and the cliff he walks off is apparent to everyone. I think the race between the Saints and Panthers is much closer than the spread. Largely because we know what Jameis is until proven otherwise. Same argument for Rhule.

Excellent reply, and crowd sourced data (in the form of bets) tends to land fairly accurately which is why the whole system works. Largely because big money that moves lines is much more informed money than a feeling or homerism. I agree the Saints and Bucs have a wider spread of outcomes than they did just a few weeks ago, frankly so do the Panthers. No one is going to give this team juice until we prove something though. It's easy to point to the concerns with Tampa and New Orleans, but our list is pretty deep too. 1. Can Matt Rhule improve? 2. Baker, new team, coming off injury? 3. Can CMC play most/full season? 4. Does someone not named CMC/Moore become a threat? 5. O-line, we will improve enough to compete in the trenches. 6. D-line, we will be able to generate enough pass rush? 7. Jaycee Horn coming off injury, will he be what he was early last year? 8. Ordinary depth concerns any team would have. Lots of uncertainties for the Panthers and those were just off the top of my head. I'd love to see it come together this season, we have the talent to compete.

Vegas Odds for NFC South: Tampa Bay Buccaneers -280 New Orleans Saints +320 Carolina Panthers +1100 Atlanta Falcons +3500 It's the NFL, anything can happen and there are a few surprise teams every season. Vegas handicappers are right far more often than wrong.

I'd join.

The Panthers have conditioned me to abandon hope and optimism early.

A lot of posters thinking all the second team reps serve no purpose other than to develop Corral. Ever consider that the coaches are evaluating other twos and needed some form of credible QB play to do so. No reason to risk Baker/Sam and PJ probably gave them the best look at everyone else.

Beyond the team regressing last year the biggest concern is how completely unprepared we looked. Compounded with Rhule looking completely lost on the sidelines on multiple occasions and people rightfully started to recognize he and his staff were in over their head. If he wants to finish this year as Panthers HC then he better at least know the rules of the game and where the game clock is situated in his field of view. There were embarrassments last year that just aren't acceptable for a professional football coach and that's not even considering how embarrassing the fugging team was.

There are degrees of sucking though. Right now we're 2001/2010 sucking level.

We have no core. CMC is glass. DJ is the best WR2 in the NFL or a low end WR1. Everyone else on offense is either JAG or worse. Shaq, Burns, Reddick, Djax and Gilmore are above replacement and Horn flashed, but he has to prove it all again after injury. Everyone else is JAG or worse. ST is a disaster. Having traded our 2nd and 3rd picks next year. We’re saddled with either Rhulegime for another year or a new coaching staff with a total gutting likely. Certainly a delicate cap situation with how much money is committed to CMC and our deluge of rotten QBs. We’d have to catch lightning in a bottle to be relevant any time in the near future. Tampa isn’t going away until Tom retires. Green Bay won’t go away until Aaron retires. God forbid but Dallas looks solid. LA is a contender, Seattle is always a wild card. SF is a wild card. Arizona is ahead of us, could probably argue Chicago and Washington are as well. Hell, even New Orleans and Atlanta can make a case they’re no worse than us. That’s just the NFC. It took 5 years after drafting Cam to be a legit contender and it didn’t last long. With that said we went from 1-15 in 2001 to nearly winning a Super Bowl in 2003. So there’s a case for a quick turnaround and the NFL certainly has plenty of examples. Right now the team feels like the Browns though. Just cycling through possible solutions so quickly that you never even know if there was potential in patience.

We are complete trash. Zero identity. If Rhule’s plan could be perfectly executed I don’t even know what that’s supposed to look like. We threaten no one, and outside our fanbase are a laughing stock. If we win everyone else wonders what went wrong with the team we beat or how weird the ball must have bounced. There are no leaders, no answers, only doubt, complacency and questions. The only entertainment provided by the Panthers is the slim humor found in the comedy of errors from the sidelines to the yard lines. We’re not close either. We’re not a coach away, a player away, execution away, schedule, luck, calls, we are infinity away. It’s a travesty. A moldy basement. An ex girlfriend. I need a secondary team at this point or the NFL is just basically dead for me. I’m thinking it’s going to be Arizona for now. They’re real similar to us, hit or miss, mostly miss. Low expectations, and oddly have often been decent in the same years we were also decent. Uggg, lots of drinks, probably drunk. But the Panthers are awful, I’m certain of it.

We could use a bingo hopper to pull plays and have more creativity. Come to think of it, this might be what Brady is doing.

Sometimes I accidentally click into a BigKat thread too.

<tinfoil> Many times I've felt the tug of conspiracy watching NFL. It can all be so easily manipulated with just a couple of flags at the right time. The way Denver was allowed to murder Cam in the Superbowl and subsequent season opener really had me questioning was it even worth watching. If manipulation is occurring then I submit it's on a smaller scale, targeting a specific team like the Panthers, or even specific players like Cam. I don't believe it's happening on a league narrative level. If it were the Cowboys would have won something by now. (Unless the league has been trying hard to give it to Dallas and they still somehow fug it up?) </tinfoil>

Nothing to argue here other than Brady might be slightly more predictable than the sun rising. At least a sunrise can be obscured slightly by clouds. The sun rises from different points on the horizon as the year advances. Additionally in extreme latitudes there is no sunlight at all for much of the year. These small deviations might just make the sun less predictable than Joe Brady.