Newtcase

26 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's the next Tom Brady, the offense as a whole has looked bad, not just Bryce. The run scheme was abysmal tonight, The receivers didn't get open, Bryce held onto the ball way too long and tried to play hero ball, he missed plenty of makeable throws and it seemed like there was a disconnect between the entire receiver unit and Bryce. Offense just looked bad in general.

But to write him off after two games is completely asinine; Like he and the rest of the offense can't get better as the year goes on. Like he's not a rookie. The offense needs to gel more. I keep saying it's going to take half the season to really get the scheme going but apparently I'm screaming into the void.

I want you to be right, I really do.  Bryce just looks like complete dog poo though, completely lost and inadequate would be my description.  He has the 3rd lowest yards per completion of any QB in history with at least 50 attempts through 2 games.  He lined up under his RG and had to be pushed over by the RB every BY nut hugger is hating on.  It’s not good.   I want it to be good, but it’s not good.

9 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

This is demonstrably false. He throws guys open a ton. He did it all the time at bama, It's all over his tape. Hell, he's doing it for us now, albeit at a much lower rate. The completion to Mingo at the end of the game, the ball was gone before Mingo even broke his route. Did the same thing to mingo last week on an out route to the sideline. Preseason game 3 the TD pass to Thielen was in the air before Thielen started his move outside then hit him in the face. Those are 3 off the top of my head, there have been more. 

It's like you guys just want him to fail just so you can be right so you make things up, I swear. Bryce's knocks coming out of college were he is a smol boi, his arm is average, and he would hold on to the ball too long at times.

I haven’t charted the play by play.  The eye test is alarming though.  Bryce has objectively and historically been awful through his first two starts.  Anyone calling it anything different has blinders on.  Maybe there’s something there we haven’t seen yet but if there isn’t this is a ridiculous and comical whiff by what is already a laughing stock of a franchise.

Did Miles just correct BY’s alignment ?!

Mmmm this is head shaking bad.

There were three receivers nfl open for the 1st there.  This is awful.

What if someone told you Rhule wasn’t rock bottom.

If this were a real super computer I wouldn’t want it doing my taxes.  That was an awful decision and a weak throw.

Dafuq is this challenge?  Does it even matter if we’re right?  Isn’t the challenge worth more than 9 yards in first down?

Well we experienced a very small nugget of success during the second half of 2022 and felt a hint of optimism for the first time in five years, then promptly showed most everyone who had anything to do with it the door in favor of an "all-star" staff that was composed entirely of people looking for jobs.

Week 1 2023 we lose by two TD to a team that couldn't pass for 100 yards.  So I wouldn't call my attitude "excited" at the moment.  It's more like I feel neutered of hope or like a scorned optimist.  Wilkes did make the games worth watching last year so excitement can definitely scale with success.  Will patiently wait for the reward that feels so far away atm.

15 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

It will be a lot easier if you stop comparing him to Cam. Someone put a list of great QBs during their first start and Young was on par with them. Let Young be Young and Cam be Cam.

To be clear, I'm not bashing Bryce.  I'm squarely in the wait and see crowd, just want to see him improve week over week.

However, these comparisons to Manning, Burrow and other accomplished qbs that struggled are just ridiculous.  You could much more easily build a list of QBs that ended up being terrible with comparable 1st game stats.

Example: Jimmy Clausen 19/33 182y 1TD 1INT

Now, I'm not saying he's Jimmy Clausen any more than his first game stats say he's Peyton Manning or Joe Burrow.  I'm just saying these comparisons....at all...are a ridiculous way to support an argument.  Let the rook cook, we'll all know in time.

4 hours ago, Seltzer said:

Bryce is near the bottom of the list of concerns.  He made a couple of bad decisions, but when you're a rookie making your first start on the road and dealing with a receiving group that absolutely could not separate, how could you not trying to make something happen.  His arm is fine.  And his decision making for the most part.  Lack of full speed reps showed big time yesterday with timing.

No worries about offensive line, either.  No line is going to look perfect down 2 TD's in the 4th in obvious passing situations.

Anyway, yesterday was obviously disappointing, but most of it can be attributed to turnovers.

The 2 things that concern me:

1) Passing game has to make substantial improvements to have any chance

2) Secondary depth is yet again a concern.

That being said, our defense and the offensive line looked too good to just write the season off.  

Receivers have to be better, and they have to be schemed better. Bottom line.  

If guys get open, Bryce will find them.  I know he missed Mingo on the go route, but it was the right read and it goes back to timing.  Bryce certainly did not look lost out there at all.

 

 

Said it before in another thread, worth repeating.

My biggest concern is we looked best early and significantly worse as the game went on.  All I really care about is seeing improvement game by game.  Having some confirmation that the trajectory is positive.  Panthers teams fading is nothing new to the fans even if the players and coaches are.  

4 hours ago, hepcat said:

I think collectively as a fanbase we are less mad about the piss poor calls because the Panthers were comfortably losing this game no matter what happened, but I agree these particular calls were atrocious especially the horse collar tackle. That 100% should have been a redo of the down. 

IMO offsetting penalties should be overhauled.  

First, they should only offset if the yardage penalty is the same.  A 15 yarder vs a 5 yarder should be a net penalty application.

Second, personal fouls should always take precedence over any other foul and only be offsetting if both teams are flagged.  Matters of player safety should always be penalized! 

6 minutes ago, Smithers said:

When talking about the CBs play, he said he’s looking forward to getting Jaycee back quick, but has confidence in Hill and others

That's not what he said.  He said "hopefully" we get Jaycee back quickly.  

The thing I found most concerning today was that we got worse as the game went on.

Let him walk for his own sake.  The only way he’ll have a good 5 year injury free run is with another team.  Black cats are curses.

This is his second injury just running.  

2 hours ago, Cullenator said:

I thought he was playing fullback

Hell I thought he was going in motion.

Lol - Chiefs have lost a grand total of 16 regular season games in the last 5 years combined and they're gonna lose 7 this year?  

If Burns isn’t the kinda guy we pay then who in the hell are we paying?

We have 5 TE, yet somehow have no TE.

6 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Chark would be on the field for more snaps than any of our other WRs

If Chark is on the field more than any other WR then injury wasn't a concern.  

This was definitely worth a thread.  

The NFL has provided plenty of examples of quick turn arounds and a few teams surprise every year.  Nothing wrong with believing we could be one of those teams this year.  
 

There’s enough talent on the team to compete.  How well the coaching staff extracts that talent and how quickly our young players progress will have a lot of influence on how the season progresses.

Theory crafting wins/losses is an exercise in futility.  Even with perfect logic the better team often loses in the NFL.

I simply hope we see a team improving with each game this season.  That’s the standard I’d like to see from a new staff and our rookie QB.  Just continue to improve, converting experience into progress.

On 8/14/2023 at 7:48 PM, Jmac said:

The Saints and Falcons are better then last season.....don't know about Carolina. We may be the 3rd best team in the division.

Carr looked surgical against KC.  The entire offense was operating at a very high level for a preseason opener.  

It’s actually 2023.