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46 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've been a Stroud proponent, which is funny because when it comes to quarterbacks, I'm normally a guy who cares less about measurables and more about intangibles.

Young is absolutely everything that I would want a quarterback to be. He's smart, he processes well, he's an accurate passer, all the most important stuff.

But yes, I worry about his durability. Especially so because you know other teams are going to try to hit him as hard as possible. And I think you can get pretty close to Young's intangibles with Stroud while not having the durability concerns.

Ultimately though, I think Young will be the guy so I just have to commit to cringing and covering my eyes when he takes a hit

How can you say without durability concerns?  I enjoy your insights but that's just using conjecture to support Stroud.  This is the NFL, anyone can get destroyed on any play.  

Also are you suggesting that NFL teams try to hit small quarterbacks harder than they hit big ones.

42 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Just going by the things they've said and done leading up to this point. Everyone is basing their opinions on the fact that Young is the odds on favorite according to media projections. Past experience says the media is almost always wrong with these things. The Huddle concensus is always wrong as well. In reality there is not much difference in a few of these guys as far as ability. Young has more tape and better coaching with more college success on his resume.  Maybe I'm more worried that it won't be him and that's why I'm not buying it until the name is called.  I'm just not ready to say it's Young just because all the questions they get are about Young. 

Vegas has Bryce at -1200 and Stroud at +800.  I agree, it's not a lock until the name is called, but these betting odds suggest it's a lock.

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

At the combine Young measured in at 5' 10" and 204 pounds. There are 36 quarterbacks in NFL history who have played at least 50 games at six feet and 210 pounds or fewer. Eleven of them played in at least 100, most recently Drew Brees.

 

I mean this has to be acknowledged.  We are banking on the rarest of rare outcomes

#1 - There are only 59 total quarterbacks since 1970 to start 100 games or more.  You're saying 11 of those 59 were short and light.  I'd bet a larger ratio of over 6' 210+ QBs fell short of the 100 game after starting 50.  Why?  It's a larger sample size.  

#2 - To say Bryce needs to be an outlier is outlandish.  Bryce IS an outlier, as is pretty much any professional athlete.  Every single one of the guys is the exception to the rule.  Give me one great example where an NFL QB was mutilated because he was 6' 200lb?  I'll immediately respond with Sir Cameron Newton, who was and remains a freakish physical specimen.  All that size didn't stop his career from being destroyed.  The way he was used did, see point #3.

#3 - There are too many variables beyond the physical attributes that can impact a career to draw any definitive conclusion from size vs games started.  

What has Sean Payton done without Brees?  About as much as Rivera has done without Cam.  NOTHING  

A corpse could have a won a Super Bowl with Brees eventually.  The fact that Payton only won one with one of the best QBs to ever play the game is an indictment not an endorsement.  fug Payton, go sniff glue.

Lot of first round talent eating popcorn as well.  

Kirby Smart was the engine at Alabama, it couldn’t be clearer.  

I think Trey Lance could be on the market if Purdy keeps playing the way he has, and even more so if they make a deep run in the playoffs.  Furthermore, I don't think Lance would command a huge price.  He's played 3 football games in 3 years and had two significant injuries.

Draft Quentin Johnston at #9, have a QB room with Darnold and two young prospects in Corral and Lance.  Slim scenario but I'd take it.

2 hours ago, jb2288 said:

I'd love Quintin Johnson assuming nothing crazy happens to have a QB drop to us. He also is ranked #9

I too have stars for eyes over QJ.  His freakish build reminds me of Megatron.  Just stunning to see that build and athleticism paired together.  We get to see him one more time this evening!

I subscribe to BPA philosophy, especially when BPA also matches a need.  QJ fits that bill.

I'm also curious what's going to happen in SF if Brock Purdy takes them to the promised land.  Hard to imagine they wouldn't shop Trey Lance.  Considering his injury history and lack of play over the last three years it's hard to imagine he would command a huge ask.  Carolina and SF have already pulled off one blockbuster move.  It could happen, and would put another young talent in our QB room. 

Somewhat, copy pasted from my reply in another thread.  Relevant to the Wilkes discussion though so marginal edits and replying here as well.

Wilkes did the only thing he could do, RUN THE BALL.  The happy accident was we were actually good at it, especially considering we shipped CMC out. Successful running opened up the passing game a bit, successful offense kept the defense fresh, all the sudden we had a glimpse of complimentary football.  However, when Pitt and Tampa stuffed our run game the house of cards was exposed.

Our pathetic division amplified the value of a few wins and Panthers football got quite interesting for a few weeks.

I suppose you have to ask yourself how much Wilkes was responsible for.  Bozeman starting, Foreman/Hubbard efficiency and Darnold's steady play seem to be the main components of righting the ship as it were.  An antagonist could argue all these moves were forced on Wilkes and it just happened to result in some surprising chemistry.

#1 - Elfein started Wilkes first game against the Rams.  Bozeman didn't start until Elfein had season ending surgery the week before the first Tampa game.

#2 - No way CMC trade was an interim coaches call.  Foreman/Hubbard express was forced by the FO.

#3 - PJ goes down after Atlanta on 11/10.  Both Baker and Sam are active and healthy for Baltimore.  Wilkes rolls with Baker, which results in Baker's release.  As a last resort Wilkes turns to Sam.

To me it mostly looks like Wilkes was forced into the choices that ended up working out the best.  Not to say he isn't a leader of men, or inspiring in the locker room yadda yadda, the players do seem to love him.  I just didn't see HIS fingerprints clearly enough to say what little success we enjoyed was competent coaching vs circumstance.

Eddie was one of the most reliable kickers in the league this year.  #2 in FGM% with at least 20 attempts, #1 in FGM% with at least 30 attempts.

Zane was a 78% kicker (71/91) before his 2021 Panthers campaign.  2021 was his best campaign by a mile at 91% (20/22).  His career best season still fell short of the mark Eddie put forward this year, 94% (33/35).

Combine that with back to back injury seasons and it's seems pretty straight forward that Eddie is our kicker.

I think both sides have a valid opinion.  Ultimately, just be your own fan however you like.  Too many damn people trying to force their opinions on other people.  

One question for anti-tankers.  How do you feel about the McCaffrey trade?  We walked one of the NFL's best weapons out the door for "draft picks".  What could that trade have been other than the owner/GM clearly stating "We prefer our future over our present"?  I'd say the tankers saw every game we lost as a similar opportunity.

I do think Tepper expected the team spiral.  Not through something as obvious as asking Wilkes or the players to quit.  He saw a dumpster fire of a team and tossed a little fuel on.  A mid-season coaching change and walking your best player out the door should have been enough put the tank on without needing to ask anyone.

The backfire was we were actually capable of doing the only thing Wilkes could do, RUN THE BALL.  Surprising to most everyone, we had the capability of road grading a few teams.  That successful running opened up the passing game a bit, the successful offense kept the defense fresh, all the sudden we had a glimpse of complimentary football.  When Pitt and Tampa stuffed our run game the house of cards was exposed.

Our pathetic division amplified the value of a few wins and suddenly Panthers football got quite interesting for a few weeks.  This was a happy accident though, I have no doubt that Tepper expected this team to fail into drafting a top prospect.  

Our secondary has just been obliterated by injury this season.  We were playing with backup (at best) talent against the GOAT with playoffs on the line, this result was not surprising.  
 

We still could have won the game pretty easily if we just punched them in the mouth on 4th and short downs and avoided turnovers.

It took a HEROIC effort from Brady and Evans to beat us today.

For me the ship hasn’t sailed on Darnold yet.  It can take time, setbacks and some humility for a player to reach their full potential.  He has two more games and a potential playoff game(s) to CHANGE his life and the narrative.  He’s fully aware of this, and IMO he’s earned the opportunity.  Personally, I’m going to judge Sam on what’s he’s doing now, not what he did last year or prior.  
 

It’s going to play itself out so there’s no point in conjecture.  If he continues to play well and show growth he will be in the conversation.

One thing is for certain, this game will expose how important the QB position is vs a better overall team.  If Darnold beats Brady in Tampa for a playoff spot are we still looking for a QB?

On 12/23/2022 at 6:28 PM, SmokinwithWilly said:

Could also be the system. When you play with some of the best OL, WRs and RBs in college football, it can leave some questions about the ability to perform under adverse situations because he very rarely had to. Not saying it's justified, but it's probably a consideration. 

Jalen Hurts is another great example. 

This is effectively our first playoff game.  If the team doesn't show up with that mentality then we don't deserve an actual playoff game.

Chubba has exploded in eye popping style a few times.  It definitely stands out how fast he hits his top gear.  We have a ridiculous three back rotation right now.  They can all hurt a defense.  None of these guys were getting touches until we shipped McCaffrey.  

The Browns game was literally stolen from us.

The Giants game was very winnable with better coaching.

Rams game could have been a win but what could we expect with all the turmoil of that week.  I don’t hang this loss on Wilkes.

The first Falcons game should have been a win.

In summary, I think Wilkes could have added a win at NY and I think he coached a win at Atlanta that Eddie fugged up.  Add the robbery from Cleveland and I believe we could easily have three more wins putting us at 9-6 in actual strength, 10-5 if you think the Rams game had more to do with the change and less to do with actual capability.  I think we are the best team in the NFCS and certainly better than our record.  
 

We set franchise records today for rushing and total yards, that’s nothing to smirk about.  We’re a streaky team for sure and as Panthers fans we’re all conditioned for a let down.  We could be peaking at the right time though.  I now have hope and the team has been entertaining, that’s a remarkable turnaround from Rhules last week here.

17 hours ago, MickMixon'sMetaphors said:

I go through phases of glass half full, glass half empty, but never really care to create posts or comments calling out the other side of the coin.  I don't see the point, but it makes the internet, the internet.

Sometimes you have to call an audible.  Football is multi-phase, you can't neglect any of them.

11 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:And they have a very particular penchant for giving up long 3rd down conversions. 

You’re not lying!  We give up the sticks way too easy.  Start with a cushion, back pedal into first down territory, watch the receiver break the route off at the sticks and convert.  It’s like some of our dbs don’t understand route trees.  You have to be on the receiver at the point of the catch to have a chance to defend it.  Our guys are too often reacting instead of reading and anticipating.  

Pittsburgh probably chuckling so hard at our “identity” in the post game locker room.  A complete team doesn’t need an “identity”, they adapt to the weakness presented.  We approached this game with the same plan we took to Seattle and Tomlin had his team ready for it.  We had no more chess moves once that was obvious.  
 

It was an embarrassing defensive performance.  I can’t recall being beat to the edge so often.  Tackling was a huge issue throughout the game.  Put Taylor in hopeless positions throughout the game.

 Overall, I just didn’t see the team really given an opportunity to compete.  Never went tempo, abysmal lack of screens, ran the predictable play over and over.  A vanilla game plan exposed.

I’ve seen enough Fox and Rivera style football.  Wilkes is cut from the same cloth.  Can we ever have a team with a little juice again?  Boring football is boring.

July - BUY BUY Baker!

November - BYE BYE Baker!

Matthew Stafford was born in 1988.  Just 5 years later the NFL approved the team expansion that included the Carolina Panthers.  This guy is that guy's father.  Checks out, Panther related.