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Welp facts are facts.  

Meanwhile this is NFL open.  (@ 36 seconds if it doesn’t go there auto)  

https://youtu.be/UG4DKNasoPU?t=36

This is what you’re up against.  Pat Mahommes throwing into tight window highlights are even more ridiculous.  So stop complaining about our receivers not being open, champions throw them open.  
 

I’m not saying BY can’t get there, just illustrating the competition if he’s going to be a factor.

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sure seemed like Tepper downplayed it with the intention of moving on from it but fan chants, etc. didn't stop so it still feels downplayed vs. the JR era but it's still there. I think if he could ever field a successful team for a season he'd proudly announce a new slogan to much chagrin but he's not going to kick that hornet nest while we suck.

Yeah, a few guys here eager to jump on me in defense of "Keep Pounding".  I am emotionally connected to it, and it does mean something to me as I'm sure it does many fans on this board.  I never said it was a gimmick.  The only point I'm making is NFL players are plucked from all over the country, the vast majority have never heard of Sam Mills until they get here.  While his story may be inspiring, if you weren't here for it then it's not much different than any other inspiring survivor story.  It's mostly a memory and a mantra for the fans that remember him at this point.  It's been pointed out that Frank and Dom shared office space with Sam when he was an active player there's also Dan Morgan.  I'll admit my oversight there as I'm sure those guys have fond memories of Sam.  Doesn't change my mind one bit about the average player on our roster though.  

2 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

If you think that Keep Pounding was just a gimmick that is along the lines of Rhule/Del Rio and not part of the team’s culture that’s been passed down for the last two decades, then I don’t know what to tell you.

You're saying things I didn't say at this point.  I didn't say anything about the last two decades.  Keep Pounding has definitely been part of the culture over that time span, without doubt.  I said, and this is in my opinion, that it's lost on this current roster.  There's no emotional connection to it for them.

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think he is. In discussions I've had with him, he doesn't strike me as that kind of character.

I think he just doesn't know

4 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Please tell me you are trolling for the fun of it.

I wouldn't say I didn't know.  I've certainly followed the Panthers since day one.  I suppose Frank and Dom being there at the beginning just didn't connect for me with Sam and his battle  and "keep pounding" coming long after their departure.  But fair play, they are def connected to Sam.

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Uuuhhh...you sure about that?

No, there's no way to be sure not a single person has no connection.  I suppose restated I could say I'm sure it doesn't mean anything to most.  Dan Morgan is still in the building but technically an executive.  Who else still has direct ties?

3 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

It’s so funny to me that this team’s mantra over the last generation is to keep pounding, and yet this groups mantra is to waive the white flag at the first sign of adversity. 
 

If I had told you after the draft that there a loud portion of the fan base wanted to fire the new coach, replace a rookie QB with Andy fuging Dalton, trade away current stars to get a new QB next year, and fawn for Baker Mayfield after two fuging weeks of the season, you would have thought man those guys are emotional lunatics.
 

But no, that’s the huddle, where it’s evidently a competiton to see who can get the gold medal for saying we suck the most. 

There's not a single player or coach on the team with an emotional connection to Keep Pounding, it's no more meaningful than Jack Del Rios "Keep Chopping" is in Jacksonville anymore, or Rhule's DBO.  It stuck because Sam Mills was a great man and an icon for this team and to not honor that tradition would piss a lot of people off.  But the inspiration of it doesn't mean anything more to this crop of players than it means to any other athlete on any other team that didn't know or play with Sam.

Other than that, I'd say any fan on this board still participating, bitching or otherwise after the last six years is indeed STILL POUNDING even if they're doing it wrong in your estimation.

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, people have to vent. There's basically two camps. The "this is a dumpster fire" camo and the "this is fine" camp and both think the other camp is unreasonable.

Basically, the Huddle is a poo show right now and it shouldn't be surprising. Fanbases tend to go as their team goes.

There's no denying it's a dumpster fire, the only real debate is where to place how much blame.

We are Browns level dysfunctional for the last six years, they've had 3 playoff games (1 win) in 20 year.  That's just the reality of where we're at right now.  We've had the same issue they've had for much longer, no answer at QB.  They've busted on two #1 overalls in Tim Couch and Baker Mayfield and have taken multiple others in 1st round, Brady Quinn (07' 22nd overall), Brandon Weeden (12' 22nd overall), Johnny Manziel (14' 22nd overall).  Even with all that they've been less dysfunctional than us over the last six years with only 6 different starters, Mayfield largely stabilizing the franchise between 2018-2022.

We've had 9 different starting quarterback in the last six seasons: Newton, Heinicke, Allen, Grier, Bridgewater, Walker, Darnold, Mayfield and Young.

So I understand why we went all out for BY, there's belief in the building that he can stabilize the most important position in football for us.  We shot our shot and now we have to see what comes of it.  Like the Browns for the last two decades, and like any other organization in QB purgatory, we are going nowhere until we have competent play behind center.

10 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Wow, 2.6 seconds is the third longest right now?  That is usually a little below the norm (typically around 2.7-2.75), with some QBs having over 3 seconds every year. 

Either defenses are getting after them or OLs have not hit their stride yet.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing_advanced.htm

Stepping back through the last 3 seasons the longest pocket time of any QB by season end was 2.7 seconds and that's only 1 or 2 QBs tops.  

Just now, joemac said:

BECAUSE NO ONE IS GETTING OPEN!!!!

I didn't say they were.  I said he had the 3rd longest pocket time....for whatever reason.  The point of my reply is that if you're going to paint the picture that BY is being pressured heavily then part of that picture is how damn long he's standing in the pocket with the ball, WHICH ISN'T ON THE GRAPH.

Well if you haven't actually watched the press conference you absolutely should before having an opinion on this.  

2 minutes ago, DJ feed me moore said:

dalton is a month away from being 36 btw

Hey Tom Brady was Superbowl MVP at 43!  If everyone can compare Bryce to Peyton Manning for no good reason then we can certainly compare Dalton to Brady for the same no good reasons.

16 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Winning franchises would pay a premier pass rusher before a receiver any day of the week.

It's teams like the Panthers that would do foolishness like that in reverse. 

Stroud threw for 384 yards and his leading receiver was a rookie receiver taken a round later than we took Mingo. 

The Rams have a rookie named Puka Nacua leading the league in receptions.

Good coordinators can scheme people open. 

 

 

Thank god, someone with sanity.

1 hour ago, UNCrules2187 said:

I know you have to evaluate every move on its own, but if that happened, the sequence of events you're describing would essentially mean we turned CMC, DJ Moore, Brian Burns, and 3 2nd round picks (23 SF, 24 CAR, 25 CAR) into Bryce Young and DJ Johnson.

+ Whoever we took with the returned pick.

My god.  Defense is the only functional unit on this team.  A single WR, much less one a team is willing to part with is not going to solve the offensive issues.  We just need to play some game managing ball like Atlanta is doing with Ridder and let our defense give us a chance.  Give Bryce & Co time to get better.  Trading away players from our defense is NOT the answer at all.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

They didn't include the raw numbers (would have been nice if they had) but based on the percentage calculation, there would have to have been at least five since a score of 80% would mean a factor of four out of five at the very least.

NFL.com has Young on record as having thrown a total of 71 passes in the first two games. And while I know our receivers don't seem to be doing great job of getting open, I'm going to guess there have been more than five open windows out of that total.

I appreciate how you take a loose logical conclusion to a more specific conclusion, truly I do.  I could have a beer with you.

I also think the spirit of my comment holds up, no matter how small it actually is, 2, 5, 10, hell even 20…./it’s a small sample size.  You can’t use it defend BY anymore than a two game sample can indict him.  

That’s probably like 2 passes worth of data tbh, you know because our receivers are never open.

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just left it out because there's so much chance involved in turnovers that two games seems too small of a sample size to discuss it unless you're just turning it over in droves - which to be fair we could be if it wasn't for dropped INTs.

We have four and you're correct it could easily be seven in two games.  One fumble was saved by a defensive penalty and two other balls were thrown into direct jeopardy last night.  We have to protect the ball better.  In reality, I'd wager we're performing worse than our 27th ranking in turnover margin, we've just gotten a little luckier.

58 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Carolina Panthers' current rankings in the NFL through week 2...

Total Offense

Total yardage: 28th

Total points scored: 30th

Yards per play: 31st

1st downs: 28th

Passing

Passing yardage: Dead last

Completion percentage: 28th

Yards per passing attempt: dead last

Yards per reception: dead last

Rushing

Rushing yardage: 9th

Yards per attempt: 4th

Defense

Total yards allowed: 8th

Points allowed: 13th

Yards per play: 8th

1st downs allowed: 10th

 

Y'all, the numbers scream it. There's a very glaring massive problem with the Carolina Panthers' right now and it's our inability to effectively pass the football.

 

Left one out...

Turnover differential -3 tied for 27th

3 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Pick 61 was the best pick we got from SF for CMC and that was part of the Young trade. He mentions DJ Johnson because we used the 3rd and 4th from CMC (basically the rest) for Johnson. The CMC trade was used up in getting Young and Johnson.

Yeah...no

This is too loose for me.  CMC was already gone whether we took Bryce or not.  It was just a 2nd round pick at that point, nothing more, nothing less.

The impact DJ might have had on a hypothetical 2025 2nd swing is also tough to judge when the "hope" in the original argument is that like Chicago we could swing again in 2025 if we suck hard enough this year and next.  I still think that argument holds water.

This thread is about helping the dude hope, not dashing it.  LOL  The cupboards are bare, I'm trying.

5 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Yeah, I was just thinking after the game last night...  had we just signed Carr or a guy like Huntley or Brissett, played the year out, we would've hovered around the Top 10 again next draft, and then could've traded up (likely wouldnt require moving up to #1 so wouldve been much cheaper) for Williams, Maye, or Sanders, etc., all coming out, all of whom I would feel way more confident about over trading up to 1 for Bryce this year, AND one of those guys could come in and sit behind the aforementioned vet options, much like Mahomes did.  But nope, we had to shoot our dick off for a glorified game manager this year and give up a Top 5 WR and invaluable draft capital to do so.

Again, AR, Stroud, or Hooker were all infinitely better options than Bryce translating to the pro game, so the sting would be so much less had we taken one of those other guys versus what we're seeing now.  And this poo is compounded because when you trade that much and push all your chips in the table for a guy at 1, you are forced to play him whether he is ready or not, so we're stuck with at least two years of this poo.

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6 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

I think the thing that chaps most Panthers fans' asses is not just the draft capital but the proven talent we sent out as well. Chicago traded a 1st, 5th, 1st, and 4th for Fields. The sequence of events that got us to Bryce (+ DJ Johnson, a 25yo rookie that got 0 snaps week 1 and a healthy scratch week 2) was basically trading CMC, Moore, 2 firsts, and a 2nd. That's actually a helluva lot more capital than what Chicago invested in Fields.

How are you connecting the CMC trade to the expense of Bryce?

2 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Down 2 games to every other team in the division and Week 3 just started...

Not to make it worse, but it's effectively down 2.5 games to Atlanta and New Orleans at the moment.

This season was always going to be difficult.  No one really thought we were going to light it up with a new staff and rookie QB, they just didn't expect it to look as bad as it has early.  The good news is we're going to know a lot more by the end of the season and the jury is definitely still out.

...however, let's consider scorched Earth and a Bryce bust...we may not be as mortgaged as it would seem...

It's looking like Chicago is going to have two very high picks just 3 short seasons after selling out for Justin Fields.  They traded their 20th overall and 5th rounder + 2022 1st and 4th round picks to move up to 11th in 2021 to take Fields.  That's about the same mortgage we took out on Bryce.

So, much like Chicago, if we missed, it's not going to be hard to try again in 2025 we just have to commit to sucking for two years.  If we didn't miss, then hooray!  Hopeful Football!