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I don't think the players tank but I do think they take on a me first attitude. What can be achieved when you're on a terrible team? Avoid injury, stay employed, try to improve value? It's hard to expect players to risk their career for a team that's going nowhere. So yeah, players take plays off, play soft, give less than 100%, in general protect themselves and their future to the extent acceptable. This might give the appearance of players tanking but it's just human nature. Countless examples yesterday but the most obvious was Jaycee. That dude made half a dozen business decisions against Mixon.

I just want to be entertained by our team and feel like we have a fighting chance each week. Every fan base ends up with a frown except one every year. I just don’t want the apathy I felt while Rhule was here. It was hard to care at all. Wow, I cared last week though! I wanted that Atlanta win and it hurt to lose the way we did. I haven’t felt that emotion in awhile, it was nice. Wilkes has made me care again! Let’s see what’s next!

Not sure how you can say that, there's no way to know if Cam would have completed that pass. In his prime he certainly had the arm. We do know that Cam definitely had some amazing moments. First that come to mind are the 2015 wins @Seattle (will never forget that Olsen TD!) and the amazing drive @NO to take the lead and remain undefeated. There were many more, these two just came to mind first. Why do we need to subtract from Cam to uplift PJ though? Other than that, PJ did win the game for us. He may have won the game on the previous drive as well if DJ hangs on. There was nothing further PJ could do, he did his job to the tune of the longest completed air pass in next gen stats history. Coaching took the ball out of his hands after the OT turnover which I thought was a huge mistake. Putting the game on a kicker who just missed vs. the QB that just put the team on his back.

PJ has won me over. Wanted him gone after the Rams game. Tampa and Atlanta have completely changed my perception. He's played really well. That pick 6 was an insane defensive play. He was barely missing on some first half throws yesterday. I want to see more, it definitely feels like his ceiling is quite a bit higher atm. Subject to further evaluation as the league gets more tape on him.

Quality of play leads to accountability IMO and that definitely snowballs either direction.

Hard to say. This team was robbed in the Cleveland game and could have quite easily won the Giants game as well. As terrible as the season has been we're a couple bounces away from a 4-3 record instead of 2-5. Win or lose, we'll be able to put the Bucs game in better context after this Sunday.

Yeah, I'm in no way saying that we're a lock to benefit from this process. In fact, I'd agree the odds aren't all that favorable. Simply saying that when you do hit a single player can count for more than 1, in fact quite a bit more than 1. The Panthers are clearly trying to give themselves the best chance to get the best player next year. If we hit on coaching and draft it opens a fairly large window, if we miss then we're the Browns/Jets/Jaguars of the last decade.

I get your point but not all 22 starters are equal. A franchise QB can immediately elevate the players around him. Disruptive defensive players can elevate the play of others. In this way the synergy a high quality player contributes adds up to more than a singular influence.

Happy for CMC, he deserved better.

Nope. Brown, Horn, Chinn and Icky are untouchable.

Pretty sure everyone knows we're going to trade draft picks to bring in a veteran at RB. It's the Panthers way.

Watching college football just got a lot more serious for me.

Shaq and Burns can go. Brown, Horn, Luvu and Chinn are the building blocks on defense. We also have the second most important offensive position covered with Icky IMO. Everyone else on the offensive side could go for the right price. We need to accept that this year and next year is about acquiring young talent and the right coaching staff. The rebuild is on and if we half cook it then it’s gonna be another decade before we have a chance to contend.

We are 1-12 in our last 13 games. The only win came against Jameis Winston playing with a broken back, and just barely.

I don’t think any honest evaluation of DJ can be made with our current OC/QB situation. It’s like blaming the meat for stinking when your freezer dies. Who else does any defense really have to cover in the secondary? Honestly, do they even have to cover DJ, decent odds the pass doesn’t arrive at all or on time even if they ignored him.

This is the same imagination process I use with a lottery ticket.

The real question is do we have a play design beyond the LOS?

Superb owl!

I don't think any of our receivers have made a clear case to be labeled #2. Laviska will be in the mix as well.

Huh? You've confused me with someone else.

Icky is the real deal.

RA is very narcissistic. Every time this dude speaks it seems he's trying to control other's action or force his opinion on them. Telling fans what to do, yelling at his coach, going off on Stew. This guy is unhinged if he can't see that his actions Sunday deviate from the accepted conduct of professionals by a wide margin. Of course people are going to talk about it. So glad he is someone else's problem now.

If the opposing defense left the field it'd still take the Panthers 3 plays to score. They'd pass it incomplete twice before figuring out they could just run it in.

Shady McCoy had some very productive years under Reid.

We've never been a constant contender, have no reason to believe we're on that track either. In fact the evidence suggests we're on a path of continuous failure. To answer the original question....I'm fine with seeing CMC on a contender, he deserves better.