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I imagine our front office/ownership was jealous at the time both of these deals happened.

Personally I'd consider anything beyond 20 yards from the line of scrimmage as a deep shot.

You're not lying. The first video, pro day Bryce doesn't even connect on the one deep pass at 1:31. The ball is overthrown, receiver tries to stretch out for it but can only get fingertips on it. Analyst calls it a dime, lmao, that dude is on the payroll. I mean c'mon, you miss your only pro day deep shot long without a defense on the field? How many times was that practiced in an empty gym? Second video, our dude says 45 yards with ease. LMAO. The ball is snapped from the 6 yard line and caught at the 40 yard line which is a 34 yard completion. Our OP wants to rewrite the rules of passing charts to include the yardage of Bryce's drop back instead where it's snapped from. I'm sure our white knight OP will be like, but dude it was over 45 in the physical air, like you morons can't tell the difference between physical distance and charted distance??? NVM that logic would move the sliding scale for all quarterbacks and the relative distance between Bryce and normal would be the same. It's all quite hilarious.

Take your pie.

They're getting #1 and #2. While it's probably Williams + Harrison Jr. it would be kind of hilarious if they took Williams and Maye.

Sean McDermott should be the example here. We were one year late letting Rivera walk. McDermott was a rising star, Tepper was a new owner, Rivera still had recent credentials even though cracks were forming. We could have promoted from within and had the coach youth infusion every team is pining for. Instead Buffalo is Buffalo and Carolina is whatever the fug Carolina is. Brown or Evero are both candidates IMO. There should be a fair microscope on both of these young hungry coaches. Don’t let the answer walk out the door again. There isn’t a better interview than a full season or longer in the buidling.

This reminds me of a study in perceived cognitive decline due to hearing impairment. Essentially, hearing impairment causes the subject to exert more cognitive energy to the simple task of actually hearing something than the effortless capture of the same information without impairment. This difference in expenditure appears to be a cognitive deficiency when in fact it’s a physical deficiency. As Panthers fans even considering the possibility of “winning out”…we are the impaired. We’ve spent so much energy just to hear the conversation that we look stupid.

Hahaha this is an excellent question. It’s just because Bryce is a content generating machine not because of the OP, who I think may very well be his mom.

Dalton is a compass for Bryce, that’s his only purpose. Showing the kid what he should be doing. If Bryce gets hurt his purpose changes. I don’t think it’s a leap of faith that a veteran staff asked a veteran player to show the kid what was possible. As far as the lip service to the media, c’mon dude. Coach speak ain’t new, of course Reich is going to give the softest possible landing for Bryce. What do you expect him to say? Dalton is just better?

Agreed. It’s hard to really assess the truth in this though as Bryce has options on multiple depths on nearly every play. He also has changed the play at the line A LOT. We cannot know if it’s really on Bryce or play calling. We can know the play calling is more expansive than Bryce’s production though, because we’ve actually seen that. Again this is reality vs conjecture. I’m really only interested in discussing what we can KNOW by OBSERVATION. Anything else is a theory at best, often put out by talking heads who get paid to entertain us with theory crafting. I do completely agree only time can reveal the whole truth. Until said truth reveals itself I’ll be discussing actual events with level headed people interested in doing the same.

This all annoying to me because I just want to discuss what we’re seeing week to week. But too many posters here want to weave the imaginary into the conversation as if it were an equal to reality. I’m no BY hater. If he does well I’ll cheer and hope for more and talk about it. If he plays suspect I’m going to talk about that. I’m just tired of talking in paradigms about shoulda/coulda/woulda.

I respect this response and don't disagree with you at all. You can check my post history. I have praised the progress I saw from Young against Miami early. I'm just not going to pretend like he's doing things he hasn't.

So the most direct answer is he isn't attempting to throw shots very often. He's only attempted 7 passes beyond 20 air yards and he's only completed two of those. I know all you apologist want to blame coaching, play calling and our receivers for his lack of deep shots. So when its pointed out to you that Dalton went of 5 of 7 on such throws in week 3 with the same staff, line, and receivers you all just act like Seattle is a high school defense. While still conveniently dismissing that Minnesota was a shitty defense that we played at home as well. Beyond that, great resources have looked at the 7 deep shots Bryce has taken and concluded that he isn't even giving his receivers a chance. I could make clips, but it's already there, again by sources more reputable than me. You're just a lazy apologist with no real excuse for why Bryce can't complete a downfield pass so you defend your defenseless position by shifting the burden of proof to someone else knowing they don't want to waste their time arguing with your ignorant ass. Mic drop and you're blocked.

My god dude. I can’t even read your nonsense anymore nor would I bother to produce the content you so desperately want when it’s already been produced by more reputable sources than me. Nor do I feel bothered to do so by default when I haven’t made any claims that are untrue. It’d be far easier for you to produce a single NFL deep completion, but you cannot. I’d like you to prove you’re not related to Bryce Young.

This is just lazy. Very lazy tbh. I won’t disagree that we have issues everywhere including coaching, calling, protection, route trees and game planning. The crazy thing is it’s impossible for you to admit that at least some of the time Bryce IS the issue. His inability to complete a single deep shot is a FUGGING issue. Defenses don’t have to play us honest and it compromises everything. I don’t have to break down tape, there are experts already doing that. The same thing is being exposed every game…Bryce very rarely attempts a deep shot and it’s becoming apparent why…In the end I’ll happily stand on my comments because I’m basing them on actual events instead of imagined abilities.

I’m not going to debate the whys with someone that’ll just rebut with theories and conjecture. I know your game. I’ll just stand on the facts of the matter. He hasn’t done it, not once. He’s had clean pockets, he’s had open receivers. The evidence is already out there and easy to find. He hasn’t shown any accuracy on his deep passes under any circumstance. This is just the way it is.

Who gives a fug what Jim Rome says? We’re 0-6 with a #1 draft pick that you clowns can’t produce a single deep shot clip from. I’m sure he’ll throw one eventually and it’ll be hilarious watching you guys high five each other as we lose another game by three touchdowns.

Easy. The difference is he hasn’t done it.

Where’s the NFL evidence? I’ll wait.

Also the Vikings were like 30th in the league at the time we played them.

Vikings and Lions are both suspect passing defenses. Also, not all defensive performances are equal. Anyone with eyeballs knows that Seattle game was one of the toughest defensive tests of the year. Ace using this as a defense is so lazy it borders on trolling except he’s not.

Bryce made some of his best throws so far. There have been incremental improvements in the last two games that are at least checking the boxes of "Show me something" or "Show some improvement". There's plenty here for both the supporters and doubters to have another round of ammunition to fuel the bye week debates. I was happy to see Bryce have some success and spot us a two score lead on Miami. It was the most entertaining and promising quarter of the year so far. It never felt like we could sustain it, but it did feel nice for a bit. I'm anxious for this Houston game tbh. Home game, Bryce vs CJ, T.Brown interviewed for their HC gig and will be calling plays AND we have an extra week to get healthy and game plan. Panthers desperately want to break into the win column and these next three games are our best chance. There's a lot in working in our favor. There hasn't been a bigger moment for our young QB than this upcoming game.

We are a winless, terrible football team that is staring down the barrel of the most infamous season in NFL history. So yes, a bad defense, for whatever reasons is part of that team.

Don't try to put lipstick on our pig, we're dead last in offensive scoring when adjusted for defensive scores. Panthers have two, Saints and Bucs have one, Falcons none. 1. Saints (-7 or 1.16 per game) 17ppg 2. Bucs (-7 or 1.16 per game) 16.8 3. Falcons 16.5 ppg 4. Panthers (-14 or 2.33 per game) 16.4 ppg