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I think you just have to give up on this if the message hasn't been received. Perhaps it would help if you just called it "cost" as in part of what we "paid" for Bryce instead of what we traded. Scot just isn't connecting the dots and its painful to observe.

Article was titled "How to move forward" but the content was really more about the state of the team and diagnosis of problems save any criticism about how underwhelming BY9 has played. A speculative comment regarding a potential WR transaction could have been paired with trade speculation to keep all the lazy narratives cleanly organized. However, the article failed to address it's own question in my opinion. The Panthers move forward by accepting that the team's goals are no longer the typical goals of a NFL team, if they ever were to be honest. Our enduring purpose this season is to determine who on this team and staff are part of the future. That could be expanded upon in terms of what reasonable expectations are for the players, coaches, front office and organization as whole. Hell even throw in what we as fans can hope and cheer for in the fog of a lost season. That's how we move foward, by looking forward. The only real value of this season is how much we can learn from it.

They should contend again this year. Aside from that they play interesting meaningful football every Sunday.

You haven't bothered to read the thread, his TWO completions are acknowledged. The threshold for success in my eyes is higher than two completions, both just barely beyond 20 yards mind you. You're grasping at straws, personally attacking me and trying to characterize my discussion as rage. You're incapable of intelligent discussion so I'll waste no further time interacting with you. The ignore list grows and I'll happily never see a post you make again.

Yeah I can't make you have reasonable evaluations. Bryce has completed 2 passes beyond 20 yards in five games. That information is well established.

Ah, here we go personal attacks. The other tool Bryce stans break out. Great job supporting your point.

Cool, read the thread. He isn't at Alabama anymore, he's in the NFL. One defensive player from Tennessee in that clip is in the NFL. College tape gets you drafted, NFL tape keeps you in the league. Where's the NFL tape? I'll wait.....and all I'll see is apologies, excuses and more Alabama bullshit because he isn't performing in the NFL to this point.

I imagine our front office/ownership was jealous at the time both of these deals happened.

Personally I'd consider anything beyond 20 yards from the line of scrimmage as a deep shot.

You're not lying. The first video, pro day Bryce doesn't even connect on the one deep pass at 1:31. The ball is overthrown, receiver tries to stretch out for it but can only get fingertips on it. Analyst calls it a dime, lmao, that dude is on the payroll. I mean c'mon, you miss your only pro day deep shot long without a defense on the field? How many times was that practiced in an empty gym? Second video, our dude says 45 yards with ease. LMAO. The ball is snapped from the 6 yard line and caught at the 40 yard line which is a 34 yard completion. Our OP wants to rewrite the rules of passing charts to include the yardage of Bryce's drop back instead where it's snapped from. I'm sure our white knight OP will be like, but dude it was over 45 in the physical air, like you morons can't tell the difference between physical distance and charted distance??? NVM that logic would move the sliding scale for all quarterbacks and the relative distance between Bryce and normal would be the same. It's all quite hilarious.

Take your pie.

They're getting #1 and #2. While it's probably Williams + Harrison Jr. it would be kind of hilarious if they took Williams and Maye.

Sean McDermott should be the example here. We were one year late letting Rivera walk. McDermott was a rising star, Tepper was a new owner, Rivera still had recent credentials even though cracks were forming. We could have promoted from within and had the coach youth infusion every team is pining for. Instead Buffalo is Buffalo and Carolina is whatever the fug Carolina is. Brown or Evero are both candidates IMO. There should be a fair microscope on both of these young hungry coaches. Don’t let the answer walk out the door again. There isn’t a better interview than a full season or longer in the buidling.

This reminds me of a study in perceived cognitive decline due to hearing impairment. Essentially, hearing impairment causes the subject to exert more cognitive energy to the simple task of actually hearing something than the effortless capture of the same information without impairment. This difference in expenditure appears to be a cognitive deficiency when in fact it’s a physical deficiency. As Panthers fans even considering the possibility of “winning out”…we are the impaired. We’ve spent so much energy just to hear the conversation that we look stupid.

Hahaha this is an excellent question. It’s just because Bryce is a content generating machine not because of the OP, who I think may very well be his mom.

Dalton is a compass for Bryce, that’s his only purpose. Showing the kid what he should be doing. If Bryce gets hurt his purpose changes. I don’t think it’s a leap of faith that a veteran staff asked a veteran player to show the kid what was possible. As far as the lip service to the media, c’mon dude. Coach speak ain’t new, of course Reich is going to give the softest possible landing for Bryce. What do you expect him to say? Dalton is just better?

Agreed. It’s hard to really assess the truth in this though as Bryce has options on multiple depths on nearly every play. He also has changed the play at the line A LOT. We cannot know if it’s really on Bryce or play calling. We can know the play calling is more expansive than Bryce’s production though, because we’ve actually seen that. Again this is reality vs conjecture. I’m really only interested in discussing what we can KNOW by OBSERVATION. Anything else is a theory at best, often put out by talking heads who get paid to entertain us with theory crafting. I do completely agree only time can reveal the whole truth. Until said truth reveals itself I’ll be discussing actual events with level headed people interested in doing the same.

This all annoying to me because I just want to discuss what we’re seeing week to week. But too many posters here want to weave the imaginary into the conversation as if it were an equal to reality. I’m no BY hater. If he does well I’ll cheer and hope for more and talk about it. If he plays suspect I’m going to talk about that. I’m just tired of talking in paradigms about shoulda/coulda/woulda.

I respect this response and don't disagree with you at all. You can check my post history. I have praised the progress I saw from Young against Miami early. I'm just not going to pretend like he's doing things he hasn't.

So the most direct answer is he isn't attempting to throw shots very often. He's only attempted 7 passes beyond 20 air yards and he's only completed two of those. I know all you apologist want to blame coaching, play calling and our receivers for his lack of deep shots. So when its pointed out to you that Dalton went of 5 of 7 on such throws in week 3 with the same staff, line, and receivers you all just act like Seattle is a high school defense. While still conveniently dismissing that Minnesota was a shitty defense that we played at home as well. Beyond that, great resources have looked at the 7 deep shots Bryce has taken and concluded that he isn't even giving his receivers a chance. I could make clips, but it's already there, again by sources more reputable than me. You're just a lazy apologist with no real excuse for why Bryce can't complete a downfield pass so you defend your defenseless position by shifting the burden of proof to someone else knowing they don't want to waste their time arguing with your ignorant ass. Mic drop and you're blocked.

My god dude. I can’t even read your nonsense anymore nor would I bother to produce the content you so desperately want when it’s already been produced by more reputable sources than me. Nor do I feel bothered to do so by default when I haven’t made any claims that are untrue. It’d be far easier for you to produce a single NFL deep completion, but you cannot. I’d like you to prove you’re not related to Bryce Young.

This is just lazy. Very lazy tbh. I won’t disagree that we have issues everywhere including coaching, calling, protection, route trees and game planning. The crazy thing is it’s impossible for you to admit that at least some of the time Bryce IS the issue. His inability to complete a single deep shot is a FUGGING issue. Defenses don’t have to play us honest and it compromises everything. I don’t have to break down tape, there are experts already doing that. The same thing is being exposed every game…Bryce very rarely attempts a deep shot and it’s becoming apparent why…In the end I’ll happily stand on my comments because I’m basing them on actual events instead of imagined abilities.

I’m not going to debate the whys with someone that’ll just rebut with theories and conjecture. I know your game. I’ll just stand on the facts of the matter. He hasn’t done it, not once. He’s had clean pockets, he’s had open receivers. The evidence is already out there and easy to find. He hasn’t shown any accuracy on his deep passes under any circumstance. This is just the way it is.

Who gives a fug what Jim Rome says? We’re 0-6 with a #1 draft pick that you clowns can’t produce a single deep shot clip from. I’m sure he’ll throw one eventually and it’ll be hilarious watching you guys high five each other as we lose another game by three touchdowns.

Easy. The difference is he hasn’t done it.