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And people are saying we need to go WR in round one. Yeah, lets do nothing to address the gaping hole at DT.

Your spellcheck, autocorrect, or whatever is failing you. Canales has been getting praise from many podcasts and sports media. He is getting quite a bit more out of this team than people imagined. They have loss five or more games by less than one score. That happens all the time during a rebuild/turn around. You have to learn how to win and part of that is penalties. There is positivity around the team now and the last thing they need to do is fire their head coach. They do have a lot of penalties, but they have been dealing with a new system, youth, and injuries all season long. It is just the way the cookie crumbles with those factors in play. Now please be quiet.

I second.

I'll say it, and I'm not a race baiter or any of that other nonsense people allude to after truth is told. One is black and one is white. Cam came into the league and set rookie passing records. Josh Allen couldn't hit the broad side of a barn until almost year three. People still insist Cam threw high, but we forget he reignited the career of a 5'9" WR named Steve Smith Sr. Cam's celebrating was seen as disrespectful and showboating. Allen's celebrating is seen as just good clean fun and exuberance. Cam shredded his shoulder trying to tackle a defender on an interception, but people still post GIFs of one time Cam didn't jump on a fumble anytime anyone mentions his name on social media. I have seen Allen throw picks and jog or walk back to the sideline and never be questioned by fans or media. Both had a veteran WR subtracted from their roster and had MVP seasons close after. You could argue that the MVP Allen is most likely to receive this year should go to S. Barkley, but Philly has robbed him of 12 or so TDs with that brotherly shove play. One was not protected at all by the league, and one gets flags thrown all the time. I seen this debate get really ugly last year on Facebook with fans acting like Cam was Trey Lance compared to Josh Allen and look how many posters who seen prime Cam chime in here to say Allen. Allen has gotten better every year making a monumental leap in year three, is on a tear this year, but he still hasn't gotten to the chip like Cam. Below is an excerpt from an article by Greg Howard during Prime Cam years and it still rings true today. We can act like we are past it, but we still have a long way to go in America. When you're a public figure, there are rules. Here's one: A public personality can be black, talented, or arrogant, but he can't be any more than two of these traits at a time. It's why antics and soundbites from guys like Brett Favre, Johnny Football and Bryce Harper seem almost hyper-American, capable of capturing the country's imagination, but black superstars like Sherman, Floyd Mayweather, and Cam Newton are seen as polarizing, as selfish, as glory boys, as distasteful and perhaps offensive.

Probably overcompensating because Cowboys fans hate when he's on the broadcast for their games for some reason

Especially for a guy as big and strong as him. He has literally had a pass ripped out of his arms from behind. No way that doesn't happen if he isn't injured. I can't believe it hasn't been addressed before now.

Just get Dani Dennis-Sutton later in the draft. Top pick is reserved for Mason!

You right, I wasn't because our team picks the guys we want about 4% of the time. I engage at first, but back away as the draft gets closer so as to not drive myself crazy like you all do. This is a miserable fan base indeed. There are centers every draft just like there are RBs every draft. Plus haven't you heard, it wouldn't have mattered who we drafted in the 2nd as we are cursed.

Wes was an assistant, became the head coach at UNCG, and won that conference a few times in like ten years. He was relegated to the NIT his first year at Cincinnati barely finishing above 500. He hasn't played a ranked team this year and still has one loss. Once they start playing decent teams like last year, they are going to start losing again. "He has built winning programs everywhere he's been as a head coach". That has only been two schools. Forgive my old feeble brain, but didn't Bill Guthridge take the Tar Heels to the Final Four twice? Hi. Yeah, I see this is going to go nowhere as Final Fours, championship game, conference title runs are considered flukes and lacks legitimacy on a coaching resume. What a guy really need is to win a few years at a bottom feeder school in a lower tiered conference to really get your engine revved up. I see you, I get it. Well not really or at all.

And Panthers' fans gonna Panthers' fan like every team doesn't do this. It is very easy with 100% certainty to say we should've got Frazier now due to ability to see what has materialized. They didn't have that in April. Also, Corbett looked great until injury, and Mays has looked good except a few low snaps. Look the center position is covered for the next few years or more and we didn't have to waste a 2nd rounder on it like Pittsburgh.

Hubert had a top 10 recruiting class last year with two top 10 recruits. Stop it duuuude. The kid went for the money. He is going to get north of $10 million to play at BYU. The family basically adopted George Lynch through this process and they have close ties to KJ Smith. It was money pure and simple, and if the Utah Jazz's owner didn't pay for the kid he would be a Tar Heel. Hubert had an outburst at the NIL collective meeting at the first of the season on lack of funds. UNC has to get with the times. Having said that, I wouldn't have paid that either for a six month player rental. Hubert won the ACC last year, had a top 10 recruiting class, and went to a National Championship in his first season. Wes Miller hasn't even played a ranked team yet and got beat by Villanova. Enough with the Wes Miller slobfest. How did he become a name that you have to hear over and over? Was it by having a mid-tier ACC coach run at UNCG? Man get the f*ck out of here with that! Only thing he can do better than Hubert Davis is make an easier non conference schedule. To the both of you, they are not going to fire Hubert Davis and underwhelming ass Wes Miller will never be the coach at UNC. Please quit acting like he is Roy at Kansas.

We need to go DL. Graham absolutely took over games this year and was the focal point of a national championship level defense last year. It will instantly shore up our run game and the guy can rush the passer. Yeah let's go get another WR a year after spending our first on one. Dan Morgan shouldn't even be thinking that Madden type of bull! TMAC is not a generational talent as more and more analysts are citing his lack of separation as well as his struggles with physical DBs. This is a no brainer and the only reason we are talking WR still is because XL currently has the dropsies.

First, I wasn't talking to you specifically. I was talking to the people labeling him a bust yesterday and this morning. Secondly, there are players who don't have it all together immediately. Hell, Marvin Harrison Jr is dropping passes as of late because his team is relying on him like WR1 his rookie year. We are doing the same with Legette. It takes most WRs, hell most players until year 3 to break out, putting it all together. The ones that play better early are usually on a really good team in a better organization/situation. That drop yesterday was brutal and the drops are an issue. People are acting like jugs machines don't exist and like they didn't see other WRs/TEs become better catchers overtime. I get your anger, frustration, and venting, what I won't cosign on is this he's a bust crap just cause Ladd Mcwhatever is having a decent rookie season catching routine passes while other WRs on his team run off the coverage.

Naw, because when you have a pedestrian, more quick than fast, coach on the field, QB at WR type player playing decently well in a much better situation as WR3 then you must come to your home team's message board and take a giant dump on your GM's 1st round pick because he isn't a complete HOF in every facet 13 games into his rookie season.

The Panthers are definitely exposing the flaws of these teams that are all in currently. It gives me hope that if we can continue to get experience as well as fill our own needs, that we have the HC to be competitive going forward. That isolation of AT on Cooper Dejean was brilliant and the only time we lost that matchup was on the overthrow by Bryce. Fangio is running a video game defense and a team that can run and has a good WR3 will run them off the field.

XL is way better than TMJ and Mingo. He is open quite a bit, and they struggled to get open. He has the ability to separate and they didn't. He is responding to coaching where as both showed zero growth in their time here. Ladd is having more production in his rookie season with a better team playing the role AT plays for us. XL is a rookie working against the best team's CB every week. There are things he needs to work on and places he needs to grow. He is being pushed and asked to do things he never had to do. He needs to work on concentration and other nuances of WR. Somebody said it before, Moose had issues with drops early and AJ Brown did as well. But like AJ, XL is always open and a physical specimen. Most GMs would bet on those traits early as you can get a Ladd whenever.

Yeah, I noticed at Duke last night all three of their post players had two fouls in the first half. Start of 2nd Broome gets his 3rd on a reach and at the 8 minute mark, their PG has four! In the Kansas/Duke game, Kansas got something like four fouls in a row and their crowd started booing. Bilas said I know they don't want to keep getting these foul calls, so quit fouling. Oh how I wish we could've got some of that love in Maui. That has always been a difference between us and Duke. If you spend 50% of dead balls and other team's timeouts in the refs' ears, it obviously makes a difference in how the game is called. EC and RJ have been beat to death over the last three games and last night they quit. It is easy to say that they need to be tougher physically and mentally, but something has to change. My only gripes with Hubert at this point is he waited way too long to appeal to the people with money about NIL backing, he needs to press way more with this depth, and he has to give James Brown some minutes. The kid is 6'10" and went toe to toe with Flagg in high school. I know he ended up dropping forty something spots in the rankings, but he is here now and seems to be our only big man with a motor.

Oh and I forgot his teammate Dani Dennis-Sutton! Sets the edge and his bull rush is crazy! Of course, some of this is predicated on if we stay in the 3-4. There are a lot of talented 4-3 guys in this draft!

Yeah, there are a few guys at end with prototypical size that will be available later who can contribute immediately. Princely(Ole Miss), Sawyer(Ohio State), Jackson(Arkansas), and Scourton(A&M) all can be had later and have crazy high motors. Carter just reminds everyone of Micah Parsons, but has tendency to do the same things as Parsons and shrink when teams run right at him.

Also, I feel AT's tantrum was one of the final straws in getting Bryce to the bench. A lot of Bryce defenders called for him to be traded and crapped on Canales for bending to the will of the players. I knew then AT was just extremely frustrated because he was getting open and Bryce wouldn't throw the ball downfield even a little bit with time! It seemed even more pronounced because Diontae's pouting and poor route running was rearing its ugly heads as well, but everyone knows AT is a solid teammate/mentor. He is just continuing to prove that and of course his attitude is better because his QB is giving them a chance to win, catch passes, make plays again!

We need to move on next year. The guy struggles to kick deep and seemingly only misses the crucial kicks. If he wasn't a free agent keep him, but he kicks like a JAG and probably wants more than JAG money.

That All-Star cast was a joke from day one! I have a lot of family who are Colts fans and they laughed every time they saw me until Frank was fired. Second, I've never liked Jim Caldwell as he has seemed so aloof and lacking in passion since the day I met him. I met him on a recruiting trip in 1999 and even then they were shuffling him through the room like a feeble old man on the way to a bathroom trip. When he had his runs in Detroit and Indi, I thought no way this is the same guy! Deuce was just a lot of mouth, our OL coach should have had his ass kicked! And lastly, Frank didn't want him. Frank and Josh's demeanor at Stroud's pro day versus Bryce's was crazy evident in telling who they wanted. I'll be honest I don't know what happened, but I watched the game and was invested. Game tying drive plus two point conversion last week, late game drive to take the lead this week, and making almost every throw is all you can ask of a QB. He is showing competence and that is where I couldn't support him the first two weeks, because he showed none! Would be one helluva comeback story.

These are two important posts! First how quickly people forget our defensive jolt when we drafted Star and KK. Second, we put way too much pressure on Brown. He is the only elite player we have inside year in and year out. Putting a monster beside him makes our entire defense better and our run game go from worst to first kind of like ummm it did in 14-15! Lastly, those Michigan kids Harbaugh had the last three years are tough as nails difference makers. It is a lot like the Miami players when Jimmy Johnson came to the NFL. I know some of the guys were HOF level guys. You get as many of those guys as possible. They are winners and they keep high standards! It is like Cam, I mean it absolutely killed the guy to lose. Take a winner difference maker and control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball! Those guys are going to work harder and demand the same from those around them! I believe HOFer Mike Singletary said it best.

Dude, its 13 points if you think about it. I guess you take away the three since they kicked the FG after the TD no call was upheld, but Eddie missed two very makeable kicks and they can't be whining about the run game since a fumble sealed the game! Starting to think a lot of people around here don't know football. I get it, it's a message board, but they come on and start threads and it seems like they don't watch the games. There are ESPN takes on here with people who are supposed to be diehards.

Yeah, people are on here whining about Ladd and Cooper Dejean over the picks we took this year. It is pretty evident, but some things are taboo to talk about anymore. Legette is playing very well having played this year with two QBs, basically three as Bryce is seemingly a different QB now. Ladd is playing with a vested veteran QB and that is the reason he is producing more. Any moron can see that, but doesn't want to discuss the obvious. As far as Brooks not looking special, this is literally the second game he has played in as a rookie. His first catch he broke tackles and the big run he had he broke tackles, but he doesn't jump off the screen/didn't do anything. Bucky was the best RB yesterday, but won't discuss that our run defense is fooking last in the NFL. I wish sometimes you all would step up and kill these stupid threads before they get 5-7 pages deep! These arguments are so weak and it is just a bunch of hindsight negativity when you can see the team is trending upward.