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Would be crazy if we finally addressed the safety position with a trade down and selection of Starks in the first!

Yeah, go look up who those players turned out to be and get back to me. He had a system for evaluating players. There were lots of busts being drafted then just like now.

That was almost all Jimmy Johnson. He had a specific system for trades and drafting that literally hit on every draft pick they made over those 2-3 years. That is why it blew up, because it was Jimmy, everybody knew it was Jimmy, and because Jerry's massive ego couldn't take it he shut down his only real successful stint as owner. He has made terrible decision after terrible decision, and we all know who to give the credit to now.

Yeah, the one that comes the mind the most was the Jamar Chase long touchdown vs. Cinci. He caught it in he middle of four or five players and none decided it worth tackling him and he sauntered all the way to the endzone. The biggest thing in the Luke, TD years was wherever you caught it, tried to break the line of scrimmage, you stopped right there!

That is on Chinn though. Apparently Thomas Davis begged Chinn to permanently move to LB and he wouldn't. He thought he could play DB and he can't. Washington hid him greatly this year, but he was flat out exposed in the NFC Championship game. The dude wants to play safety, but can't consistently cover. HIs rookie year, they played him close to the line and he made a few plays. He also looked lost whenever they asked him to do anything else. Washington signed him for chump change and because they are in transition, Quinn uses him to play downhill. Trust me, as soon as they can upgrade, Chinn will be done there too. Walker is a berserker with a high motor, who can cover and rush the passer. He can fit run gaps, diagnose plays, and is sideline to sideline fast. It will be much easier for Evero to find a place for him because he is a better player period. It is funny, you saying that Evero struggled to find a place for Chinn like that is a weakness when he found a place for Luvu. And Luvu struggled to get reps outside of STs before he came to Carolina.

Because people really dislike Cam Newton. Even when he was here doing all he did in Carolina, people really had serious deep seeded issues that had nothing to do with his play. It has just carried over and now they are using this as a chance to validate their point of view. Calling Cam desperate to stay relevant is insane. His show is huge, and ESPN has now anchored themselves to him, which means he is going nowhere for the foreseeable future. He was just trying to illustrate to a high draft pick that you aren't going to go to an immediate contender. Teams have a high draft pick for a certain reason. Surprise Steve Smith Sr. was mad and took it personal. Has he ever not taken anything as a super slight against him? The guy was about to fight Jerry Jeudy a few years ago while he was supposed to be doing pregame. He beat up two teammates, one for asking the position coach to review a play again! But what trumps Smitty's behavior, attitude issues, everyone's hate for Cam. Four players, four had something to say, but Stew, Thomas Davis, and others said nothing. The man was trying to put the kid up on game and these guys got in their feelings. It happens and will continue to happen as the athletes are telling us from their mouths how they feel on their platforms.

Yeah, when they started the there is a script handed out to all teams each season, I was floored. The nuances of planning and pulling off something on that scale would while keeping it secret is just nonsensical. Did they account for things like the Washington hailmary, tip passes, and other unpredictable occurrences every football season? Like @kungfoodude said, I have seen referees get into the flow of a game and struggle to get it under control, or just get swept up in the intensity of the crowd. I have literally seen a college basketball coach flip out on a ref caught up in the crowd pulse who had made four consecutive calls for the home team and they snapped out of it like they had been in a trance. Then the calls seemed to even out. It is human error plain and simple.

I also noticed how bad the officiating is in college sometimes. Dude was getting absolutely flat out tackled on some of those rushes with no flags. I get it, I would try to hold so my QB didn't get his brain scrambled too, but his motor needed to be rewarded some by the zebras. Just seeing his motor and add on the other superlatives, plus he's a native son, no brainer if he's there. These are the kinds of players that change and add to a good culture.

The reports were the same there as in New England. The inexperience of both coaches was so evident that the owners knew they had to move on immediately. The big things were scheduling and preparation were so inadequate, once you paired that with terrible in game decisions, and losses it was a wrap. Hence, now you have two grown ups in both places. The Raiders were looking for and elder statesman though for sure with the options in their search.

Ditto!

I really like this part, especially in regards to these two QBs already being out of the playoffs and everyone whining about what if all season. From Week 8 when Young took back over through the end of the season, PFF scored Young with an 83.7 passing grade, sixth best in the league over that span. Young was just ahead of Mayfield (83.3) and Sam Darnold (82.3), both of whom had short stints in Carolina before the Panthers decided to go all in on Young.

There was a pundit on a podcast who said that when we went on the close game run with a win here and there that Canales was "calling plays out of his mind". There were really some good wrinkles and some players being schemed open. I am excited to see what happens as personnel gets more experienced and we add some pieces.

Um, dude can really hold the point of attack. If they have a hankering in round 2, I wouldn't hate it.

It is because they wanted a AT clone in Ladd. XL was open all of the time and has game breaking ability. He after his rookie season needs surgery and has aspects of his game he needs to work on yes. Ladd also had so many more factors working for him. The first being he was not working against teams #1 corner hardly ever! They forget to mention things like that, or that he had an established QB throwing to him. People whine about XL and Bryce's chemistry, well Bryce wasn't the QB all year. Lastly, Ladd will never produce the results blocking on the perimeter that XL does. If XL is still struggling to catch in year two and three, then we can express that he was a bad pick.

Questioning of particular professional athletes and their offseason actions/work ethic, which include super common themes that all people in that region, age group engage in has always baffled me. All of the youth are on social media. Most southern people hunt for wild game.

Legette was always open. He needs to work on his hands, but we have seen this before. You have a guy come in with lingering injuries from college, gets surgeries, NFL rehab and break out. Also, finished products rarely come out of college. Everyone has something to work on as they become pros. So to the people definitively stating his ceiling, shut the fook up! AJ Brown couldn't catch a cold and had trouble with separation. Tyreek Hill had a limited route tree. All the other guys this year Nabors, Thomas, Ladd, none of them can block like XL and that is something they will have to work on to be better. Cut it out.

Way to come with the facts. I am tired of people whining over the Frazier. It didn't happen and Cade played very well this year! I know o-line play and the way we leveled up with the "answer on the roster" over what we had last year Bozeman was nothing short of amazing. This o-line coach has gotten so much more out of the guys on the roster from last year it isn't even funny. I believe we can only improve and there is no need to put any more resources into the line this offseason minus undrafted free agency.

Its because this is all a television show with production values and norms. The boom of behind the scenes footage has always been a big deal and this is reality tv that they don't have to script. There is levity, emotion, betrayal, tragedy, and triumph in an NFL team's offseason. They don't have to set up a day out with triggers to see a cast member's reaction. That is why there is such a boom with podcasts. Fans love to find out that Tim Duncan was a hilarious teammate from Tony Parker, or that Cam Newton was a stand out teammate who put team before self from Greg Olsen. Hard Knocks is compelling and it will be around for years to come like NFL films.

Same here, it was obvious that Penix struggles against the blitz yet we let him sit back rushing three on 3rd down most of the game. Also, 4-3 is just easier to outfit with players and there are some really good ends coming out this year. Hell, Clowney and Wonnum had their hands in the dirt the whole game every week anyways. 3-4 worked when there were guys like Gilbert Brown, Sam Adams, Goose, Ted Washington. Then your inside guys were Levon Kirkland paired with Kevin Greene on the outside. Its an antiquated defensive formula that requires very hard to find personnel. I wish they would move on from it.

7/10 is appropriate. He is doing some great stuff with play calling. You all wanted a young offensive mind, now you are saying he needs to not call plays. That is nonsense and there are a plethora of coaches that have won that way calling either their offensive or defensive systems full time. He made Bryce look competent after benching and then confident by the end of season. The last three points are for defense which can be remedied by moving on from Evero. Don't get me wrong, they missed a lot of production from guys being hurt and lost to free agency. But right now he has the stats to move on to a different coordinator where he can turn that side of the ball over to him. The culture has changed here and the biggest reason I know is J. Clowney. I have rarely seen that dude enjoy football as much as he did this year. Optimist bully!

And people are saying we need to go WR in round one. Yeah, lets do nothing to address the gaping hole at DT.

Your spellcheck, autocorrect, or whatever is failing you. Canales has been getting praise from many podcasts and sports media. He is getting quite a bit more out of this team than people imagined. They have loss five or more games by less than one score. That happens all the time during a rebuild/turn around. You have to learn how to win and part of that is penalties. There is positivity around the team now and the last thing they need to do is fire their head coach. They do have a lot of penalties, but they have been dealing with a new system, youth, and injuries all season long. It is just the way the cookie crumbles with those factors in play. Now please be quiet.

I second.

I'll say it, and I'm not a race baiter or any of that other nonsense people allude to after truth is told. One is black and one is white. Cam came into the league and set rookie passing records. Josh Allen couldn't hit the broad side of a barn until almost year three. People still insist Cam threw high, but we forget he reignited the career of a 5'9" WR named Steve Smith Sr. Cam's celebrating was seen as disrespectful and showboating. Allen's celebrating is seen as just good clean fun and exuberance. Cam shredded his shoulder trying to tackle a defender on an interception, but people still post GIFs of one time Cam didn't jump on a fumble anytime anyone mentions his name on social media. I have seen Allen throw picks and jog or walk back to the sideline and never be questioned by fans or media. Both had a veteran WR subtracted from their roster and had MVP seasons close after. You could argue that the MVP Allen is most likely to receive this year should go to S. Barkley, but Philly has robbed him of 12 or so TDs with that brotherly shove play. One was not protected at all by the league, and one gets flags thrown all the time. I seen this debate get really ugly last year on Facebook with fans acting like Cam was Trey Lance compared to Josh Allen and look how many posters who seen prime Cam chime in here to say Allen. Allen has gotten better every year making a monumental leap in year three, is on a tear this year, but he still hasn't gotten to the chip like Cam. Below is an excerpt from an article by Greg Howard during Prime Cam years and it still rings true today. We can act like we are past it, but we still have a long way to go in America. When you're a public figure, there are rules. Here's one: A public personality can be black, talented, or arrogant, but he can't be any more than two of these traits at a time. It's why antics and soundbites from guys like Brett Favre, Johnny Football and Bryce Harper seem almost hyper-American, capable of capturing the country's imagination, but black superstars like Sherman, Floyd Mayweather, and Cam Newton are seen as polarizing, as selfish, as glory boys, as distasteful and perhaps offensive.