Soul Rebel

I def want to hold onto this year's 2nd. The ability to add a very, very good OT or IOL with that pick is crucial to build around Moton on that OL and protect that rookie QB. Moving #8 (which ideally would be a QB selection), next year's 1st and 2nd would hopefully be enough. Keeping CMC with a QB on a 5-yr rookie deal and losing Samuel is important. We probably find a cheaper WR3 in FA, but CMC is our slot WR. Especially with Bonnafon and Smith that can tote the rock 5-10 times a game.

I personally want Lance at 8, but have serious concerns about him being there. After seeing how aggressive we were and the overpay that our FO was willing to toss out for Stafford, I am now thinking Tepper wants "their QB" and will move up to 2 or 3 to do it. Won't cost as much as DW and we get a franchise signal caller while not losing as many assets. "Hoping" that a QB makes it to 8 doesn't seem like Tepper's MO currently and we probably won't be drafting this high for awhile. 2021 is our year to strike, and Tepper is about to whip out those brass marbles, IMO.

Please elaborate then on how giving up the #8 overall pick + another asset (draft pick or player) for a 33-year old, non-mobile, banged up QB makes us a long-term contender. My comment was on overpaying for Stafford, which, if we would've given what was reported...would have been an extreme overpay. If you want to debate that, then your knowledge of how front offices and teams are built is below a Madden Franchise Mode-level of understanding.

The 8 alone was too much for Stafford. The report also said SF and Indy both balked at including this year's FRP. So two very competent front offices were not willing to part with the 12th nor the 21st picks, respectively..... But we were willing to give up the 8th AND another asset beyond that. Scary. I really hope Rhule and Fitterer can reel in Tepper, as this seems like a Tepper "I want what I want and I don't care about pricetags" kind of move.

To be fair.... The way Cam was treated prior to his release isn't that far off from Houston. It's not apples to apples, but it's the same fruit basket, for sure. Depends on whether it was more Hurney pushing the narrative or if Rhule/Tepper were full of isht in their transparency to Cam on a personal level. If it's the latter, than Carolina might not be a landing spot for DW. It's not the only factor, but the respect DW has for Cam is looming large.

If we can keep the 39th overall, we can add an OT like Leatherwood or Eichenburg. We make Moton our focus in FA and lock him in. We now have bookend OTs for the next decade, a 25-yr old mobile top-5 QB, the NFL's top RB and a young, up and coming defense. Add an IOL in R3 and Watson would have a decent, young OL to grow with. We still have holes (long-term C and WRs beyond '22, CB1, SAF, DT), but this is only year two of the Tepper/Rhule era. Watson/CMC/Moton/Moore are young enough to hold the fort down while we continue to add pieces.

If we would draft a QB at 8, what's the harm in losing two future 1sts that are most likely between 17-25 in the draft? I feel like everyone sees the "three" FRPs and, rightfully so, has reservations. However, if one of those picks were to be used on Wilson/Fields/Lance anyway at #8, why not get an NFL top-5 QB just starting his prime at 25 and locked in for 4 more years. Yes, losing a first round pick in the next two drafts stings, but the tradeoff is pretty satisfying. I would prefer we keep all of our picks in '21, but would be fine if the compensation included a '22 2nd or 3rd.

If we can keep our 2nd this year, I’m fine sending three years worth of first rounders + Teddy and pushing the ‘21 second rounder to ‘22. We can take a very, very good OT with that pick or let Fitterer move it around to acquire another later pick.

On one hand, I see how it's unfair to hold where a prospect plays (Lawrence at Clemson, Fields at OSU, Burrow at LSU) against him. On the other hand, I see a prospect in Jones that looks like conditioning was optional, along with a less than desirable arm and mobility as a problem. In the NFL, if your supporting cast isn't stacked, which he's unaccustomed to, I want to ensure my franchise QB is able to hang. I don't see that with Jones.

Darnold will probably fetch a 3rd....maybe a late 2nd. I'd toss that draft pick out for him waaaaaaay before Love. Now, I do think Love can be a good starting QB in the league, he just needs time. When he came out last year, that was the deal with him - patience.....and not a year patience. I don't care that he was the 3rd stringer last year, bc at one point Goff was too. If the asking price was a third round pick...I would maybe consider it, but even then, I still want Darnold first and foremost of all young QBs that need a change of scenery.

Leatherwood-Dickerson-Brown in the trenches Devonta and Waddle at WR Najee Harris at RB Top notch SEC Defense Not overly mobile with a mediocre-at-best arm And oh yeah...... Hard pass.

I did see a really good analysis of him from a mechanics standpoint, and quite often, his footwork was a problem.... his feel for the pocket, stride, angles, etc. I'm sure others have pointed out already, but Newman does seem to compare similarly to Cam, and has some of the same pain points as Cam had coming in.

What was your old alias?

You do realize that if we draft a QB vs. getting a vet, that Teddy is starting the year under center. Fields, Wilson, Lance, Newman, etc. are not ready to get thrown to the dogs week 1. That was the plan when he was signed, and I don't see why it wouldn't be the plan for at least the first 40-50% of the season.

Any chance GB would trade Jordan Love? Based on how Rodgers played this year, he looks like he's got a solid 3-4 years easily left in the tank. He outplayed Brady in the NFCG and really looked like his time in GB is not as close to an end as last year. If GB keeps reloading the missing pieces (which aren't many), their window looks like 3 years. Would Love sit for 3-4 years and GB burn 75% of that rookie deal that he's sitting on?

I apparently can't count this morning....hehe. Newman would be 5th. Personally, I have it as: Lawerence Fields | Wilson Lance Newman Jones | Trask

I honestly want Newman if we miss out on the Big-4. I could see us drafting him in the 3rd, or if he really shines at the Sr. Bowl & his pro day, we make a move like we did for Chinn last year. I believe Newman is the 4th best QB in this draft. He def fits the Fitterer MO too.

I agree that we are one year ahead of Detroit, but I would argue that Robby is on par with Golladay, and the latter is only 27. CMC might be RB1, but Swift will be a top-8 back in the NFL very, very soon...the kid is dangerous. If I'm Matt Stafford, Carolina isn't moving the needle for me when there's teams like Pittsburgh, Indy, and SF that are so much closer than us.

I want to fall for Radunz, but much like Billy Turner (who I loved), he was more of a jack-of-all, master of none, above average OL from NDSU that never lived up to his ceiling coming out.

Could play Humphrey at G until Paradis is no longer with us. I think if we did not draft a QB at 8 and went: R1: Slater/Sewell R2: Humphrey/Davis R3: Trade for Darnold or draft Newman We could roll out a Moton-Humphrey-Paradis-Miller-Slater OL and give whoever our QB is a healthy, young and strong OL.

I really don't want anything to do with Jones or Trask in this draft, and would personally wait on Newman. I think all of the big-4 QBs are gone by 5 and if we desire one of them, we best call Cincy. Jax and Detroit for sure are going QB at 1, and presumably 7, respectively. I think NYJ and MIA (Watson and then HOU takes a QB) are ripe for trade backs for QB needy teams, and possibly Cincy if the OT they like isn't there. ATL could also certainly consider a QB at 4. Denver and SF are nipping at our heels at 9 and 12. NE at 15 WAS, CHI, INDY at 19, 20, & 21 are all in need, though I do think Stafford goes to one of these teams.

Sewell (probably not happening) Slater Farley/Surtain II - different schemes and attributes, but both are CB1s in the NFL Parsons - Favorite player and gives us Luke 2.0, but more of a luxury pick given other holes

I think one of these three are on our roster in 2021-22 as the heir apparent to Teddy's starting spot (in no particular order) - Darnold Lance Newman I think Watson will gut us of assets and we won't be able to improve the roster enough around him in his prime. I think Stafford doesn't make sense for us and the #8 is too high of a pick to give up for him Wentz is damaged goods Jimmy G is overpayed and mediocre Rodgers ain't going anywhere Trubisky & Winston doesn't move the needle anymore than Teddy B did, IMO Dak goes back to Dallas and can't afford him

Stafford makes more sense to Indy, SF, Pittsburgh or Chicago. Teams that were in the playoffs and are in need of a QB upgrade. I also feel like that's the area of 1st round draft pick value that Stafford is due. I think our #8 is too much for him. I like Stafford, but I feel like for all of those poo-pooing on wins and not seeing the long-game process of rebuilding this team for a resulting 10-6 team, this is essentially the same move. Rhule & Tepper have preached that Rome wasn't built in a day, so making a move in year 2 for a QB that will be 33 next month doesn't seem like the right move. I won't be mad if it happens, bc I like Stafford....I just think this move is a year or two too early.

I see a lot of Baker Mayfield with Wilson. Frame, mobility and arm. I think Wilson is more accurate, but Baker had played more competitive teams than Wilson. Daniel Jeremiah thinks he's the real deal and compared his release and arm to Rodgers. FWIW, DJ also has not really said too many negative comments about all 4 QBs so I honestly think any of the big-4 would succeed with us. I would be real disappointed if we give up tons of draft assets to move up for one of these guys and then watch Lance go at 8.