Soul Rebel

I wanted DW here, but assumed it was a pipe dream, simply because: #2 overall > #8 overall #23 overall > #39 overall #34 overall > #39 overall 2022 NYJ 1st round pick > Carolina's 2022 1st round pick 2022 NYJ 2nd round pick > Carolina's 2022 2nd round pick Darnold > Teddy (only because of age, ceiling and contract) It sucks for HOU that DW stays in the AFC, but the ROI is worth it. Can't be scared to be the best. If we got Watson, we'd be playoff bound....or at worst, our draft pick would be 18th or higher. I don't see the NYJ besting that next year.

I'm confused by the outrage. If there is a QB at 8, we take him. If we don't think there will be a QB at 8, we move up for a QB. We give up a FRP next year and this year's 2nd in order to secure a franchise QB on a rookie deal for the next 5 years. Gotta give to get, and if we already planned on taking a QB at 8, we are giving up two assets to get the most important position secured. I hate giving up either pick, but if it solves our QB situation, why not? Watson guts us of assets and will waste at least two years here with a supporting cast before we can add good pieces around him.

Reuter is a bum analyst and his mocks annoy me. However.... I am 110% on board with this. I do think one of those 3rd or 4ths could be removed or maybe have a 5th or something coming back. Keeping both 2nd rounders this year and next is huge and not franchise depleting. Future comp picks and Fitterer can recoup some of those lost picks, IMO.

Last home run we hit with an OT in the first round was at #8 overall, Jordan Gross, so I'd be happy with Slater at 8. Plug him in at RT, move Moton to LT and ride the bookend tackles for the next decade. That being said, best case scenario for us would be to get one of Watson, Fields, Wilson, Lance, or Darnold without giving up our 2nd round pick this year. Drafting an OT in R2 should present great value and would give Moton a partner to tangle with at OT. Either way, we need an OT with one of our first two draft picks AND re-sign Moton.

Unfortunately, your last sentence is pretty much the key to any QB this offseason. That being said, the Darnold deal sounds tough. The Jets want a FRP.... not happening. Our 2nd round pick is a very late first round pick, so that would align, but I don't want to give that up per se. Ideally a trade for us that makes sense is 2021 3rd rounder + something. Jets probably balk at that and would settle for something more in the mid-late 2nd round area. I could really see an Indy or a Pittsburgh making the deal more given where they are picking in the draft.

Sidebar - can we all be thankful that that Hurney isn't still here trying to negotiate for these QBs. If you want to have concerns for the future, picture Hurney on the other end of the phone with Houston, Detroit, Philadelphia and the Jets.

I just think that Anderson was with Darnold for those first two years and part of the sh*t show that was the Jets coaching/front office. Perhaps in practices, meetings, off the field, Darnold showed a lot of what you want and has potential that was being held back by the incompetence of Bowles/Gase and their awful OCs. Robby has been a gift here and I would like to think that Rhule would listen a bit to what RA had to say.

I also wonder if the timing of the leak on the NYJs side is aligning with the Texans continuing to double down on their stance on holding onto Watson. If I'm HOU, the Jets and 'Phins are the two teams in my scopes. Top-3 picks this year a second pick in the first round this year, a young QB that still has potential to build around and cap space that either team can take on/support Watson with. I think we will be on Watson's short list, but in the end, DW coming here is just not in the cards, IMO.

I wonder if Robby has chimed in at all. Darnold has the skill set, the build, the arm and sneaky mobile. What's between the ears is the question and how horrible his mentoring was up to this point in helping elevate his skills. I still think Darnold can be a great QB in this league. He might not be Brees, Brady or Mahomes.... but I could see a Tannehill/Rivers/Stafford type of trajectory.

Asking price was rumored to be a FRP according to Schefty. Clearly we aren’t giving that up, but I do think Darnold for the right price would be a solid move. Robby would def have some input too. Bowles & Gase were awful Head Coaches too.

I was hoping Jabril Cox would slip to the 3rd round, but I don't see him there anymore for us. I could see as you pointed out, some WR/TE/OL from late in the draft that Rhule & Co saw up close being a gem for us.

As long as we don't give up our 2nd this year, I'm fine with two firsts, a second and a third going back to move up to 3. I actually like the CLE-PHI trade. They wouldn't receive our 2nd rounder for two years in that deal. With a good QB on our roster, we should be picking in the 20's in two years. That 2nd rounder in 2023 isn't as impactful as a 2nd rounder this and next year. In that deal, we would receive a 4th rounder next year coming back our way. The only part of that deal that really stings, is next year's first and this year's third. We would have two years to try and regain a 2nd round value that we lost, but in another trade. Having our 2nd round pick this year and next allows us to add a top-50 rookie deal to our roster this year, and next. TLDR: If its a PHI-CLE structured deal to move to #2 and get "our guy", I'm doing it yesterday. Watson is a pipe dream that will gut our assets.

Nope. If we are going to roll the dice on a 28 year old mediocre QB, why trade for one when we already have that on the roster. Wentz, Jimmy G, Trubisky, Winston, Carr..... all are in the same boat for us. None move the needle anymore than Teddy. Judging by our aggressiveness, it’s either moving up in the draft to get our QB on a rookie deal or emptying the cupboards for Watson.

I def want to hold onto this year's 2nd. The ability to add a very, very good OT or IOL with that pick is crucial to build around Moton on that OL and protect that rookie QB. Moving #8 (which ideally would be a QB selection), next year's 1st and 2nd would hopefully be enough. Keeping CMC with a QB on a 5-yr rookie deal and losing Samuel is important. We probably find a cheaper WR3 in FA, but CMC is our slot WR. Especially with Bonnafon and Smith that can tote the rock 5-10 times a game.

I personally want Lance at 8, but have serious concerns about him being there. After seeing how aggressive we were and the overpay that our FO was willing to toss out for Stafford, I am now thinking Tepper wants "their QB" and will move up to 2 or 3 to do it. Won't cost as much as DW and we get a franchise signal caller while not losing as many assets. "Hoping" that a QB makes it to 8 doesn't seem like Tepper's MO currently and we probably won't be drafting this high for awhile. 2021 is our year to strike, and Tepper is about to whip out those brass marbles, IMO.

Please elaborate then on how giving up the #8 overall pick + another asset (draft pick or player) for a 33-year old, non-mobile, banged up QB makes us a long-term contender. My comment was on overpaying for Stafford, which, if we would've given what was reported...would have been an extreme overpay. If you want to debate that, then your knowledge of how front offices and teams are built is below a Madden Franchise Mode-level of understanding.

The 8 alone was too much for Stafford. The report also said SF and Indy both balked at including this year's FRP. So two very competent front offices were not willing to part with the 12th nor the 21st picks, respectively..... But we were willing to give up the 8th AND another asset beyond that. Scary. I really hope Rhule and Fitterer can reel in Tepper, as this seems like a Tepper "I want what I want and I don't care about pricetags" kind of move.

To be fair.... The way Cam was treated prior to his release isn't that far off from Houston. It's not apples to apples, but it's the same fruit basket, for sure. Depends on whether it was more Hurney pushing the narrative or if Rhule/Tepper were full of isht in their transparency to Cam on a personal level. If it's the latter, than Carolina might not be a landing spot for DW. It's not the only factor, but the respect DW has for Cam is looming large.

If we can keep the 39th overall, we can add an OT like Leatherwood or Eichenburg. We make Moton our focus in FA and lock him in. We now have bookend OTs for the next decade, a 25-yr old mobile top-5 QB, the NFL's top RB and a young, up and coming defense. Add an IOL in R3 and Watson would have a decent, young OL to grow with. We still have holes (long-term C and WRs beyond '22, CB1, SAF, DT), but this is only year two of the Tepper/Rhule era. Watson/CMC/Moton/Moore are young enough to hold the fort down while we continue to add pieces.

If we would draft a QB at 8, what's the harm in losing two future 1sts that are most likely between 17-25 in the draft? I feel like everyone sees the "three" FRPs and, rightfully so, has reservations. However, if one of those picks were to be used on Wilson/Fields/Lance anyway at #8, why not get an NFL top-5 QB just starting his prime at 25 and locked in for 4 more years. Yes, losing a first round pick in the next two drafts stings, but the tradeoff is pretty satisfying. I would prefer we keep all of our picks in '21, but would be fine if the compensation included a '22 2nd or 3rd.

If we can keep our 2nd this year, I’m fine sending three years worth of first rounders + Teddy and pushing the ‘21 second rounder to ‘22. We can take a very, very good OT with that pick or let Fitterer move it around to acquire another later pick.

On one hand, I see how it's unfair to hold where a prospect plays (Lawrence at Clemson, Fields at OSU, Burrow at LSU) against him. On the other hand, I see a prospect in Jones that looks like conditioning was optional, along with a less than desirable arm and mobility as a problem. In the NFL, if your supporting cast isn't stacked, which he's unaccustomed to, I want to ensure my franchise QB is able to hang. I don't see that with Jones.

Darnold will probably fetch a 3rd....maybe a late 2nd. I'd toss that draft pick out for him waaaaaaay before Love. Now, I do think Love can be a good starting QB in the league, he just needs time. When he came out last year, that was the deal with him - patience.....and not a year patience. I don't care that he was the 3rd stringer last year, bc at one point Goff was too. If the asking price was a third round pick...I would maybe consider it, but even then, I still want Darnold first and foremost of all young QBs that need a change of scenery.

Leatherwood-Dickerson-Brown in the trenches Devonta and Waddle at WR Najee Harris at RB Top notch SEC Defense Not overly mobile with a mediocre-at-best arm And oh yeah...... Hard pass.

I did see a really good analysis of him from a mechanics standpoint, and quite often, his footwork was a problem.... his feel for the pocket, stride, angles, etc. I'm sure others have pointed out already, but Newman does seem to compare similarly to Cam, and has some of the same pain points as Cam had coming in.