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I can't wait to play the AFC South this year. They are terrible. The only reason you can't say they are a worse division than ours is because of the Colts. When you consider the fact that the second best QB in that division is Fitzpatrick you have to realize how terrible a division it is. There was one week where the entire division outside of the Colts had 3 points cumulative through 3 quarters in their respective games. NFCS has average teams across the board and a terrible Tampa team. But 3 of our 4 teams would be second best team in AFC South. And before anyone goes there, the Texans do indeed suck.

Get this poo done

Agree. Get it done Getts

Agreed, and also people should understand that often times what reporters are hearing off the record but can't report is why they may have strong opinions about something like this. I asked a couple of reporters about how what we were saying and doing as a franchise seemed in contrast to the belief that the Hardy door was completely closed. Both referred to some off the record conversations that led them to that conclusion. When you see almost all local media guys saying the same thing, without seemingly a lot of evidence that is public, that is sometimes why. They can't really report it, so they kind of report about it. When Jeremy, Voth, and Person are all saying the same thing, but not quoting sources, that is what I assume is the case. That it has been said or hinted at off the record, despite what Panthers are saying publically.

I am just ready for this all to play out so we can move on.

Again, a lot of this will also depend on what is ruled in Peterson court hearing, which has more implications to Hardy that the Rice ruling. Judge told NFL in Rice trial that they can't make it up as they go, so they will have to defend their suspension and I imagine it will also end up in a court room. And there is at least precedent now that the NFLPA attorneys can show the judges ruling which in part said that NFL didn't have authority to suspend Rice longer than what policy dictated at the time of the offense. We will see.

The part that would apply to Hardy would be the judge saying Goodell didn't have authority to suspending him longer than policy dictated at the time of the offense. Meaning 2 games and not minimum 6 Other than that it is different circumstances

You can really claim that any case is apples and oranges. But the important thing is punishment precedent that is established The part of the case that will have a lot to do with Hardy is the issue of them changing policies after the incident. When the Hardy trial went down the normal punishment would be 2 games for a first time offender of domestic violence Now that number is 6, but that was enacted retroactively to Hardy incident. Peterson case will help clear that up. Rice and Peterson also admitted guilt. Hardy could argue he is being suspended for a crime he didn't commit, and ultimately had charges dropped against him. Peterson also argued that the exempt list is a "pre-discipline discipline" The way that all plays out would have much bearing on the Hardy case, and Peterson and Hardy will both cite the Rice decision which his suspension was overturned by a court, partly because in that ruling the judge said that Goodell didn't have the authority to impose harsher penalty than called for by policy in place at the time of the incident. There is A LOT that the Peterson case can clear up for Hardy

Probably Davis and CJ

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I think most of us know what Zod is saying, we just don't agree. It isn't just us, there are some in the media saying it is extremely unlikely and others that it is inevitable. There are a lot of factors at play here that do not have a precedent. I have said that the Peterson case that is in the court system will tell a lot, and even then I think if Hardy gets suspended his appeal will end up in a court room as well. There are a lot of factors that have not been challenged yet, and they will be. Plus the NFL has to find a reason to suspend him. If it was truly as simple as saying "conduct policy" they would have done it already and wouldn't need 1st trial evidence. You may think he wasn't suspended already because he was paid. A judge might disagree (could happen) I worry about the precedent of players being blackmailed or accused of things by girlfriends trying to punish them by ruining their careers. Having an allegation come out against you that is a misdemeanor charge shouldn't cost someone 22 games. That is absurd. Even if he was paid. We will see

Actually, we don't even know that a financial settlement was reached. DA didn't say that there was one, just that they had reason to believe there was one. And that settlement cannot be contingent on her not testifying or not showing up. The only thing we know for sure is she quit talking to DA after saying she didn't want another trial and that she didn't show up

How bout this. I bet you my all-pro membership money that he does not get suspended more than two games. If I win you refund my money but I get to keep access until my current subscription ends, then I have to pay to renew You win I will donate additional all-pro money to the site or tailgate One caveat is it has to be what punishment is after all appeals. You down?

Some people seem really emotional about not wanting Hardy back. Not really sure why. I get having the educated opinion or belief that he won't be. But some of the posters seem to emotionally attached to the idea that he can't come back no matter what. This is a guy that makes us better as a team. He has some warts. And if he leaves so be it, we will survive. But i am not excited at the prospect of him walking and possibly signing with a team we have to face in the future

No but they could easily ask him to lay low, and not be around to avoid distractions. Or he could have been advised by agent to stay away. Most of these guys have their own workout facilities for the offseason, so isn't that absurd he not go to the weight room

The Voth article said they are leaning on JR. Maybe they say "sure I want him back" to the press, but I doubt many would go to the boss to lobby for someone they are just paying lip service for. Also sources say that Rivera is lobbying FO as well according to Jason Cole I think

That isn't really fair. Even if someone is upset or depressed they may find other ways to distract themselves, or vent, or just try to return to normalcy. Stephon Marbury created zany YouTube videos when he was suicidal. How many comedians perform nearly every night then do hard drugs to cope or eventually commit suicide? Creative outlets are good for dealing with sadness or depression. Look I love you Zod, not trying to respond to every one of your posts. I just disagree.

Defending Greg Hardy and wanting him back is not unreasonable or emotional IMO. I am good if they part ways. I still think that is the most likely outcome. Just want things to be fair for Hardy. I don't think he should be suspended 6 games even if he is playing for the Falcons. I feel like he has been punished enough, and especially because I don't really buy Holder's story.

I thought you were asking about courts overturning excessive suspensions.

Different set of circumstances but Ray Rice suspension overturned by court

There is no precedent for a guy being forced to sit out 16 games and then trying to suspend them again based on a rule that was retroactively created after the issue occurred. When Hardy got in trouble the suspension was 2 games. After the fact, they increased it to 6. How the courts rule on the Peterson case will be big on what the NFL can and can't do. This would be appealed and probably go to the courts as well. He would effectively be getting punished much more harshly than two players who got caught and admitted guilt.

You can't reach a settlement in NC that is conditioned on a victim not testifying or not appearing in court. The DA left that part out when he was trying to manipulate the press (successfully apparently)

A judge might This will end up in a courtroom if they suspend him

I was a basketball player. I didn't go pro but all I wanted to do was play basketball. That was my first love. Take that away from me I would cry like a baby. It is like saying if someone took you first born child but paid you for it you should be happy about it cause you got paid

Jason Cole also cited sources saying Ron Rivera was going to lobby front office in coming weeks to bring Hardy back