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It is clear he is trying to cast Darnold as negatively as he can and takes every chance he gets to complain and point out the negative. What is funny is that he thinks others are being triggered when clearly he is so triggered that he turns every thread into complaining and bitching about Darnold.

You are clearly arguing about something no one is even debating. No one is happy how Darnold is playing right now or thinks he doesn't need to improve. But the point was simply if you are going to use numbers to make a point then include all of them otherwise your stats become meaningless since they are out of context and incomplete. Much like people did with Cam. It is okay to admit you were wrong and did it intentionally to buoy your opinion. But stop with the ongoing arguments about things no one else is debating. It just makes you look more like a hater which undermines your credibility which isn't very good already.

Again you clearly are ranting and trying to.make up for your clearly biased attempt to discredit Darnold as many did Cam while he was here. There will be plenty of time to evaluate the season and decide what we do moving forward. Until then I am just going to enjoy this year and seeing what happens. I never have understood fans who bitch and complain about their team and stay fans.

You clearly seem confused. No one is comparing them as QBs. I said we often undervalued Cam by only referring to his passing stats and not including his rushing stats. You did the same thing with Darnold in your attempt to discredit him. Any other comparison is in your head not what was posted.

We used to do the same thing to Cam. Let's not include Darnolds 5 rushing TDs for a total of 12 TDs because that distorts the agenda we keep pounding on.

I hope Jones play well except when we play them at our next home game. I hope he is awful and he gives us a few picks.

Non mobile QBs in New England have a pretty good track record.

Plus it is too early to tell on anyone new to a team. Lets see what happens this season and evaluate at the end. Things could get better or worse

He is going to be here short of Watson or some other starter being traded away. If we draft a rookie in the first round he needs time to develop and learn behind a vet. Much like in San Francisco right now. Otherwise it seems Darnold is doing better than Fields, Wilson . Of course it seems old Mac is faring pretty good. I knew he would do well.

And in both Brady and especially Manning's case , he was the OC and the QB. The OC for much of Manning's time in Indy seemed more of a figure head than true OC.

A big difference is that Brady and Manning brought their system to their new team not the other way around. So they didn't have the adjustment that Darnold has going from a crappy system to a much more complicated one. And they had great success in that system with their old team. So your examples are not germaine. It was other folks learning their system not the other way around so if the talent was similar or better you would expect them to do better not worse. Which is what happened. Whereas in the cases I mentioned it was the other way around. Which is why I brought them up.

And I think unless Darnold implodes if you think he is gone at the end of this year you are sadly mistaken. Will we bring in competition? I hope so. But Darnold has arm skills and athleticism Teddy could only dream about. That is why he is here.

So you are a hater from the start. Good reason to ignore you then as totally biased looking for things to complain about. You have plenty of company.

I said even some of the great ones struggle not all. Obviously Brady didn't neither did Manning. But what about guys like Jay Cutler who went to Chicago. First year they went 7-9. Year 2 he played 15 games and then went 10-5. That might be a better example. But either way Darnold is a work in process and I think if he is here next year he will be more successful. But right now not too happy with any part of the team.

Again you expect that great QBs would be great on any team. Who said Darnold was great. I just pointed out that it isn't a guarantee. Many guys also struggled changing systems. Matt Ryan struggled his first year under Kyle Shannahan in 2015 and went to the playoffs in 2016. There are tons more examples.

I am not a fanboy of Darnold and am pissed we lost on Sunday. I am also not happy at all with the offense or Brady or even Snow letting them March down the field in overtime. Still I understand that even probowler QBs who switch teams struggle at first. And we all knew Darnold is far from a probowler. So is he were I thought he would be. Yeah. Is he were I hoped he would be? No.

How about Joe Namath and Jonny Unitas off the top.of my head.

Seems the obsessed folks or maybe butt hurt fans are those who expected Sam to come in here and light it up day 1 as if he was an all pro before he got here. Anyone who figured he would be great right ahead don't have a clue. Those who think we should dump him now are even more clueless.

You obviously don't know much about football and changing systems. Even great QBs who changed systems often struggled their first year.

So how many did he have with the Panthers in 2020.? Your dislike for Darnold is obvious but to make the assertion that Teddy was better than Darnold at this point for the Panthers is really stretching it.

He may be in his 4th year but any casual fan knows that when a QB changes systems the curve is steep at first. He benefits from playing in the league but has to start over with a new team and new offense. By all accounts he didn't learn much in New York and may have had to unlearn quite a bit. The point is Teddy had a huge advantage yet didn't look that great. So to expect Darnold to come in here and fire it up is realistic at best.

Teddy came from this system and had experience with Brady and produced ok results. Darnold is new to the system and is still learning the offense. He is a rookie in this system and didn't have much good experience in New Jersey. Teddy was who he was but Darnold is still learning and growing. As to which one is better, how many long drives did Teddy have to tie or win at the end of the game. I don't remember any. That is all you need to know.

I think Rhule is a big running guy and after letting Brady do it his way, Rhule is helping him make some tweaks. I wonder if Brady likes that or not...

Based on his running in the redzone and on broken plays you could make a case that he might be able to pull it off.

I think you are right. Maybe using more play action.