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Spoken what? That it is too early to be talking releasing someone at this point in the season. Lets see how Cam does and then after Darnold comes off IR we can decide what to do. Remember when we released Cam too early without giving him enough of a chance. Lets keep the pitchforks in the hay until after the season.

Right and no one was comparing them as quarterbacks. What I was pointing out was that it is convenient to find the scapegoat to get rid of without addressing the real problem when they dumped Cam and didnt address the O line once again. Novel idea why not fix the line and then decide if the qbs you have are suddenly better. That would go for Cam, Darnold, PJ, Barkley, et al.

Again why make any judgements until after the year. If Cam is great in this lineup then it is Darnold but if Cam has the same issue it might be the line and playcalling. So you let Cam play 4 games and then see who gives you the best chance to win the rest of the way. Besides Darnold could be a great backup who can win a game if necessary. Maybe sitting and watching will do him good.

But if Cam is the starter then Darnold is a much better backup than anyone else when he comes back. Why would you do anything this year? Plenty of time to evaluate after the season is over.

Think this is getting blown out of proportion. What we will do with Darnold is put him on IR and in 4 weeks see how Cam is doing. Darnold is signed through 2023. Those who were upset we moved too quickly from Cam seem to have no problem doing the same thing with Darnold. Maybe we should learn from history.

And if Tepper came in and started doing his best Jerry Jones impression it could be bad for our future. How many owners turn around teams with their meddling.....

Nah, he will be brought in to revitalize the running game now that Cam is back

No apologies will be given. This is business. Do you want to play or not?? Ok great then lets go.

I can see a restructure and convert what you can into a bonus to prorated it and then add voidable years or whatever they do to make cap magically disappear. Get New Orleans on the phone... He is the soul of the defense and when he is out we are a different group. When healthy he is a steadying force and a playmaker. You pay him whatever it takes and let the cap guys argue about how to structure it.

Absolutely. He is only scratching the surface of the force he can be. He needs to put on some more muscle to help with durability and we have the next Michael Strahan.

Smitty is areceiver and sees through a receivers eyes. He would be biased toward OBJ who is controversial just like he was. You have to just take what he said understanding the lense he filters everything through. Then again, C'Mon Man........

That's me too. I would have an average arm and great intangibles than a great arm and suspect ability to read and react for whom the game never slows down.

In college you play football when you aren't going to class or doing others things. In the pros football is your job and all you do. You have time for whatever you need to do. You are getting paid a ton to do nothing else. The equipment and technology they have available to them now is way beyond anything you would have had no matter where you went. No there is no comparison.

Agreed. I am told you don't try and bulk up but you actually do strength exercises using bands for instance while replicating your throwing motion so you don't do exactly what you mentioned. Plus it should be a gradual process while still practicing your throwing motion so you gain velocity and strength while still maintaining your flexibility, and keep your mechanics and timing.

That may or may not be true. If you are working on your mechanics at the same time you work on your strength improvement they should stay relatively consistent. Especially if you use exercises that reproduce the types of movements you will be doing such as throwing a ball the change will be so gradual it won't necessarily change your timing. Or at least my daughter the athletic trainer and physical therapist said that was the case and she works with college and some pro athletes.

When I see how guys like Smitty and McCaffrey really bulked up and got a lot stronger in an NFL strength program why don't we see it with QBs. Other than Cam and a few outliers most QBs are not that strong and don't change from college to the pros. If they don't work out to get stronger or faster you would think they would to at least protect from injury which can be at least somewhat mitigated by increased musculature. I guess they don't think there is much you can do to improve or it isn't important.

One thing I have pondered is why QB can't improve arm strength or at least ball velocity. It gets taught routinely in high school and college. If qbs can get stronger as they work out with an NFL regime why wouldn't they be able to improve velocity. Seems a lot of it is technique more than brute strength.. https://www.finchperformance.ca/post/3-ways-to-increase-velocity-when-throwing-the-football

I agree that of course you want the total.package as would every team but often you have to weigh what is more important. The common mistake is to.look for athletes and believe you can coach accuracy and increase processing speed with training and time. Just like we did with Darnold. He has a strong arm and has shown he is more athletic than many thought. But what has been his problem all of his career is lack of quick processing and poor decisionmaking. So again if you can have it all that is great but if I have to pick and choose, football intelligence, quick processing and the ability to read defenses have consistently shown to be more important to QB success. And something that apparently isn't as easy to teach as many think.

Clearly this is going in circles and some of us have to work. For what it is worth I hope Mac sucks this week and is awful. Not going to spend all morning going round and round about a player I really don't care about and will be rooting against this Sunday.

If arm strength is so important than how does Brady keep winning Super Bowls as his arm strength diminishes or how did Brees keep winning when he clearly couldn't heave it that deep? Arm strength is great to have just like being able to run fast and be elusive. But in the long scheme of what makes a QB great attributes like intelligence, accuracy, the ability to stay healthy having a good supporting cast of players and coaches are more important that a rifle arm.

Easy to speculate with hypotheticals. And he isn't limited in ability. The recent trend to only value mobile athletic QBs and denigrate most traditional pocket passers ignores that the QB with the most SB wins is not very athletic or mobile. And Cousins was a 4th round pick who didn't play much until year 4. Meanwhile Jones was a first rounder who beat out an athletic veteran for the starting job and has played well for a rookie.

Like both. Do you dislike him because you think he has no talent or because he replaced Cam?

And personally I hope he sucks and looks awful on Sunday.

It already has aged well. I didn't say he would be the next Tom Brady or be an All pro. I said he was the most pro ready which he has shown and done well in a good offense. Both true. I am interested in seeing how he develops much like I am the other rookies who are starting. But anyone who knows football also knows that injuries and many other factors play as important a role in career success than just raw talent.

How would I know. I never claimed to be anything other than a fan. But that doesn't mean I can't be right about things like the fact Mac would be the most pro ready QB and will do well in a good system