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Perfect reason to have an incentive laden contract which pays him to play well.

If we don't tackle better and stop Detroit on 3rd down it won't matter what we do on offense it will be catchup. In the Steelers game the defense let us down and gave the offense less time to operate as our time of possession was less than 40% of the game.

Again that assumes we go quarterback and with Corral already here that might not happen this year. So no selling out to lose is a poor strategy and no guarantee you get the guy you want. Especially if we aren't great at identifying talent in the draft.

The problem with that logic is assuming that everyone picked top 5 will be better than guys picked from 10-15 and they will be better than guys picked at 20-25 and that isn't true even most of the time. And as you note we have had good QB options in the past in the draft and passed. So who is to say that we will jump on one of the top qbs this year. It surely isn't worth rooting for losses. Now I agree that when we lose I justify it by the fact we get a better draft pick. But it isn't my preferred scenario. And honestly if we make the playoffs it will give a lot of young players needed playoff experience which I see as very valuable and something that will happen versus sucking and hoping for a high draft hoping again we use it for a QB which may or may not happen.

I understand totally the logic of losing out to get a better draft pick. I don't understand why a fan who wasn't a GM or involved in the draft would be rooting for that to happen. First of all let's say we get a top 2 or 3 pick. How many times could we have gotten a QB at the pick we had and we passed on it? So we lose out now and we don't get a QB. What have we gained? And who is to say this top pick will work out and make us better?? And last year the first qb was picked at 20. So given that the draft is a crap shoot and you don't know where things will end up anyway, the only rational approach is to root to win every week and then worry about the draft when it gets here. Otherwise hoping to tank guarantees nothing except you will miserable all year and miserable in the offseason if we don't pick who you want. But hoping to tank doesn't make you a smart fan or doesnt show you are not settling for mediocre.

What exactly is trying to be real? I thought rooting for your team and being optimistic is what fans did and this supported your team more than criticizing and constantly complaining. I know it is surely less negative and most folks get tired of the constantly complaining. I know I do.

Tampa lost and the Saints beat Atlanta. So nothing has changed and we can still win the division if we win out. So honestly as disappointing it was to suck so badly it wasn't the reason to jump off the bandwagon just yet.

I expect us to take a qb in the draft but it can be a developmental guy who learns from our vet and Corral. It doesn't have to be a 1st rounder or someone expected to start right away.

McAdoo said the offensive philosophy and vision came from Wilkes. His job was getting the players ready to execute it each week gameplanning and coaching.

McAdoo is running Wilkes scheme not necessarily what he wants to run. And that scheme is run heavy smash mouth ground and pound. Defensive minded head coaches go for controlling the clock with safe plays to minimize mistakes. Offensive minded coaches like high octane systems designed to score points regardless of time of possession. The things fans want. So I can see why folks want an offensive minded coach. Not just the ability to build an exciting offense but the emphasis on quick scoring over controlling the clock with boring running plays.

While you are at how about doing the same for guys with no head coach experience who come in and do great right off the bat. You don't have to go back further than Rhule and Wilkes to see how that worked out in their first gig. I suspect that there have been a bunch of guys with no head coach experience who flamed out at this first gig.

Fitterer did the draft and free agency this year and likely will draft another QB this year if he finds a gem falling. But coaching is different. You need an experienced coach who can develop your players and get the best out of them by effort or scheme, hopefully both. But is that the job of the head coach or the coordinator and qb coach.

McDermott struggled when he first got here. It is pretty normal for new guys to take time to develop players they want for their scheme. And remember how Gettlemen used to change out players like you do on madden and chemistry was always an issue. We changed corners every year. Wilkes has done a good job with what he had to work with.

We were pretty good when Wilkes was here the first time.

Let someone else take the chance for once and get someone who learned the ropes on someone else's roster.

Yeah I have heard that before when we hired all the other guys that we gave a first chance to. I want a proven commodity with head coaching experience. If we don't have that, then go with Wilkes who has already changed the culture and hopefully keeps winning. Plus he has head coach experience and has literally taken the same team with less talent than Rhule had to start with, and is making them believe in themselves and showing what being a Panther is all about. The history and pride in this franchise. Something a new guy can't replicate outside of guys like Reich, Turner and Dorsey who have been here before.

At least he has head coach experience and a winning record as a head coach. Why was he fired though???

Yeah. What experience does he have at the job he would be assuming??? None

So he is a great coordinator or quarterback coach. Why does that make a qualified head coach??

How much head coach experience at any level. Not important??

Plus much of Buffalo's success seems to be Allen doing it himself making ridiculous plays. The offensive system doesn't appear much better than a lot of other systems. And Dorsey has no head coach experience at all and has been a coordinator for one year. Another unproven guy with little to no experience. Versus Wilks who has proven he could take a losing team that dumped their best talent and turn them into a competitive team shuffling QBs every week.

So it seems lots of folks are on the steichen bandwagon but really what has he done? No head coach experience at any level and he has only been a coordinator since 2019. He was with the Rams for a year and apparently not retained and if my timeline is correct he left before they won the Superbowl. So other than Philly what has he done?? Question is whether his system is so great or is it he has a great QB much like Shula had Cam. He might be great but do we want to hire another unproven guy with little experience hoping for another Sean McVay or someone with proven ability to be a head coach. For me I am tired of picking guys with no head coaching experience and developing them while they learn on the job.

Rumor is the health reason is alcohol related.

He is making 2 million this year. The average for good running backs is closer to 6 or 7 a year. He has been good to very good this year. I would give him a 3 year deal for 15 million. Give him a 6 million signing bonus with a cap hit of around 3 million for 2023. If you don't guarantee much you aren't on the hook for much dead cap money.

Let's see how we finish the year. Let's see how Wilkes does the rest of the way. If we beat Pittsburgh at home his worth in Tepper's view will go way up. 4 home game wins in a row and a 3 game winning streak. It is nice to be included in the conversation in December.