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Again over the last 5 years with the exception of Mac Jones, what rookie qbs who played all season had winning records their rookie year. No matter where they were picked.

What kind of apples and oranges is that? Comparing a QB draft choice with a guy in the NFL. The point is while they might think that Young or more likely Stroud might be better, that isn't the choice. It is whether keeping Fields and a bunch of picks is better than picking Young or Stroud at 1. And that is an easy one.

I don't think he will be great either out of the chute. I would have a vet to start and put in our younger guys as they are ready to take over. If you read my posts you would know I don't like to start rookies unless you have to or they are an exceptional talent. For example look at how well Bradberry is playing now. You remember how often he was abused as a rookie.....

Says the guy who changes his alt all the time and thinks it funny to act like a middle schooler and poo on everyone's post he doesnt like or in this case stalk me around the site. Truth is you are much closer to that title than I am. But unlike you I ignore you for the most part until you make personal attacks.

I remember everyone saying he was a project. Why would that have changed.

Actually a lot of it was Lawrence. He was not good but again few rookies are. And yeah they were a dumpster fire as well. But that is not the same case with Chicago. I hate to say it but how many qbs have ever been good for Chicago? https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/greatest-quarterbacks-in-bears-history-01e93v2hdrg1

I am not convinced that Chicago loves Fields so much as they want the extra draft picks and don't see Young or Stroud as so much better than Fields. So keeping Fields and getting the picks is a much better value than trading him away and keeping the number 1 pick.

He is one of the reasons they are picking first in the draft. Just saying.....

This is a decent article on the possibility. I did hear that the Bears might keep fields because the pick was more valuable but what if they don't get the compensation they want?? https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-justin-fields-trade-what-it-could-look-like/

Should be an interesting offseason for sure and given Reich is new I have no idea what he is thinking.

Corral has more experience than Young or Corral, and the price to move up makes him a better value. Who says Reich relies on a rookie not named Luck. It will actually be between Corral, a rookie and a vet. Who stakes their future on two guys who have never taken a regular season snap in the NFL.

But is he convinced that Young or Srroud are so amazing he can't find similar ability at 9 and save all thise picks. You can pick up Fields for a wnd or third I read.

Not necessarily. How did Lawrence do his rookie year?? Assuming anyone out the gate will immediately shine is not reality for most all. So we pick Stroud and he is middling. Then what. And I don't think Young or Stroud will be franchise changing. IMHO.

This isn't poker where you can go all in by bluffing, you need to give up a ton of picks for a maybe. Convince me that Stroud or Young are so great that we need to give up multiple 1s when we have Corral in the wings. I would give him a try and if he sucks we will have a high pick next year so getting our guy won't cost us an arm and leg. Or move up slightly for Levis or Richardson and don't mortgage the farm.

Maybe Rhule had something to do with that. Doesn't mean Reich can't do better.

Like most very successful NFL quarterbacks they play too long and rarely leave on top. He had several times to retire after winning a Superbowl but always wanted more. Now he goes out after a decent but not great year and lost his family in the process. Don't feel sorry for him at all.

Let's see what happens. So far he is 0-0 for the Panthers. And Cam was injured from 2016 on so he didn't have great QB play his whole time coaching.

I am excited for the hire and think he will be very good. Better than in Indy I hope. 40-33 is pretty average so I am not sure we should be touting that as so great. Rivera went 76-67-1 in 9 seasons and everyone thinks he was average or worse.. Again I think Reich will be good.

Yeah that comes from inconsistent fundamentals.

Just because you still have your first next year doesn't mean you have to get another quarterback with it but the point is you could if for whatever reason you felt Richardson wasn't the one or like Gruden, Reich starts collecting quarterbacks. Everything I see suggests that Richardson has the athleticism and arm of a great qb. But Reich said his players had to have good fundamentals and accelerated vision. I heard he maybe be erratic in his fundamentals and his decision making was suspect.

Right now iis the best time to be excited and optimistic. Even if we have heard most of this before by other coaches at times, we know things are looking up and Wilks showed our roster was better than it performed the last few years. Besides there will be plenty of time for criticisms in the Fall if we struggle. But Reich is a good coach who is a Charlotte transplant who think coaching us is a dream come true. If this works out we could have him for a long time and bring some real stability to the HC position. How can you not be excited about that possibility.

Given that most rookie qbs struggle including supposed sure fire guys like Lawrence, there is no need to find a rookie qb who has to start day 1. So the question is whether it is better value to try and develop a guy like Richardson over a season or two who could play as well as a guy like Stroud who looks more NFL ready and might play sooner.play right now. Is the better value picking a Richardson who might be there at nine versus mortgaging the bank for Stroud by moving up to one or two. If you are not convinced you have to have Stroud you could jump in with Richardson and still have your first next year in case that crop looks better than this one. You can't go all in just because you are tired of not having a franchise guy.

The fact that Philly can run and pass plus has a nasty defense is why they are going to win. If you can stop the chiefs running game and limit yards after the catch, you can stop Mahomes especially on a gimpy leg.

Exactly. If you have a good system and roster you don't need your quarterback to carry the team. That might be more important than who you pick.

Truth is that there are lots of quarterbacks who can be developed who aren't high picks. We have seen a number of guys who were forced into action like Purdy for SF. To the point that spending a ton on any college player has to be weighed against finding someone you can develop with similar athletic tools.