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So let me get this straight. She passed out for 8 minutes. During that time Brooks groped her, MacDonald then carried her to the bedroom at least partially undressed her and had sex with her and the whole thing took only 8 minute.? Either she woke up during the assault or MacDonald is a true 60 second man. the timeline just doesn't seem that plausible.

I think that one of the problems is that too much of the offense is predicated around Cam. Sure he is a great athlete and will be an elite quarterback down the road. But when your whole offense is predicated around one player it is easier to shut that down which has happened in the past. If you have a good ground game and your receivers are both talented and can get significant YAC it makes it easier on Cam and the team. Couple that with a great defense and you can win whether Cam plays fantastic or not. And that is what you want. Cam needs to do his thing but he doesnt need to be the whole offense. It is a set up for him and the team. every QB has good and bad days. Playoff teams win on both days, mediocre teams only when the quarterback is playing well. We all saw what happens if Cam gets hurt, and ultimately it is inevitable to at least some degree over the course of the season. Our team needs to have the horses to win ven when he is struggling or the defensive scheme is designed to take away what he does well.

Where are all the folks dissing this pick. When I was one of the earliest to say he could be a beast at his size I got a ton of comments about how slow he was, he had poor hands, poor route runner, and so forth. Suddenly we pick him and Gettleman says how great he will be and now everyone is singing his praises. Funny how the worm turns so quickly around here.

So we have our Luke light as our backup middle linebacker. What a good story and a driven smart hard working guy with skills and a willingness to do whatever it takes to make the team. There is a whole to like here.

You cant argue with the fact that Davis can still cover and he better understands where he has to be all of the time. It really takes a player a year or two to really learn this defense. Unless you are Kuechly who is a phenom. I can see real value when he can play both linebacker and safety in the nickel. Especially with Harper being a real liability in the passing game. Maybe he is right in that he will great because he has Kuechly and Davis to mentor him.

I agree with you. I think that he will compete at weakside linebacker and learn how to play safety in practice until he is ready to start. He will learn as fast as he can and his effort hasn't been questioned so it will simply be a matter of getting enough reps at both positions in order to learn his responsibilities in this defense. As you know, McDermott's defense requires high accountability and any breakdowns can result in big gains for the opponent. I hope he is a quick learner and a good instinctive player. I like his athleticism but here we go again with the rookies. Call me biased but I like veterans to start until the rookies show they know what they should be doing all the time. Or have the speed to recover and minimize the damage. As a panther fan you have to hope he lives up to the faith the Panthers had in drafting him in the first round. I will be his biggest fan once he proves to be the best guy out there.

As I said, we will draft a wide receiver tonight. Frankly I hope it is Justin Hardy. Still what Perriman had which we dont have on this team is 4.2 speed. Ginn isnt close anymore. Plus he has size and strength and can go up and make the catch. Benjamin is huge but is not a speedy guy who can blow off the top. Still I know that there are plenty of guy out there and trust Gettleman to make some good picks. And we have to move on and not dwell on the past. And honestly if Shaq can be a safety in this league then he will be worth the pick. I am not unhappy just wished we went another direction. As for the rest of the conversation about those that didnt like Kuechly, I was one of the main guys saying Kuechly would be fantastic. That was obvious. Frankly Shaq is a great athlete but isnt close to Kuechly coming out of college.

I still wanted Perriman at this pick. We will see what Thompson can do and obviously we will pick a receiver in this draft. Still with 4.2 speed at that size, I think he would have been ideal for Cam.

I want our line to be like Minnesota when they had the Williams brothers. You absolutely couldn't run inside. It made most teams one dimensional. Right now we don't have 2 run stuffers up the middle. With Star and Goldman we would have the twin towers inside.

And if he ends up being another Kris Jenkins with a motor they will be eating a bunch of crow this time next year.. We used a second on Jenkins. Anyone think that was a bad move?

After he had the whole offseason and training camp to practice. Different when you haven't played a game in almost 2 years and you haven't practiced with the team in almost 3 months during the suspension.

Doubt he will be a force if that is his first game back. He wont be in football shape since he can't practice during that time. I imagine he will appeal it and might very well get it reduced though.

You can't really compare the two. Anything you say about 2014 will be colored by how they did their rookie year. Anything about 2015 is a big unknown. For example Benjamin is being evaluated based on his rookie season not just on what type of potential he had coming out of college. While White, Cooper, and Parker are all unknown and we don't know who will boom or bust which will color our view of how big a prospect they were next year.

Because. Rivera learned under Jim Johnson who believed in having big physical safeties in his system. Guys like Brian Dawkins were studs in the secondary and experts at dislodging receivers from the ball. He could play strong safety, free safety, or corner. We either need a big physical corner who can play free safety or a fast athletic safety with good pass defending skills.

So far both DeAngelo and Stewart have not lived up to their draft position or the money they have been paid in the last several years. Williams was an fun exciting kind of runner who could be extremely effective when he got to the outside. Stewart is a powerful inside runner with good blocking and receiving skills. But injuries and lack of durability hurt both of them over the last few years. At least we were able to restructure their contracts to keep their cap hits from being even higher. We all know that we only kept Williams until we could release him and manage the dead cap hit. Anyone think we would still have Stewart if not for the huge dead cap hit after the 2013 season and multiple restructures.

He accomplished all of those things in his first 3 years and was a huge value given how cheap he was on a rookie contract. He could legitimately claim he outplayed his rookie contract. But what has he done since since he got a 4 year 53 million contract? That would be no probowls, a rushing average of 4.2 yards per carry and 16 TDs in 3 years. So they cut him and the Jets picked him up on a 2 year deal for 8 million and didnt pick up his option of 500,000. Like I said if he had played out his rookie deal or at least kept up his production he would have been a great player but instead he was a great young player who got a huge contract and got a big head and never earned his money. That is a huge flameout for a guy who as you noted started his career so promisingly and may have had one one of the best years in NFL history. Plus many guy's career are cut short by injury but that hasnt been the case for him. Before responding with more simplistic concrete responses take the time to understand what I am saying. As an ECU graduate myself, I would not be disparaging someone I watched every week for years unless it was clear he flamed out due to issues he should have better managed like desire and effort.

My like for Hardy was as a value pick not who I think we will pick or my first choice particularly in the first or second. And he would still fit us better than Agholor as Hardy is better going up for the ball, contesting catches and can adjust better to an inaccurate thrower which unfortunately is Cam's issue. Plus he is better blocking which is a necessity in our offense. So it isnt just the player but a fit for our offense. Agholor will be a great fit for a WCO offense and is a finished product but isnt really best suited for our team at this point, IMO. I would take a number of guys if I were Gettleman before Agholor including Perriman and Strong because they are bigger and more physical. I do worry about the hand though depending on where he broke the bone. Rehab could take 6 months which we dont have. Funchess is this year's Benjamin and I would take him over Agholor or Hardy in the second or third given his potential. My only concern is whether we are better off taking a lower ceiling higher floor guy like Agholor or Hardy who could start right away and will be good but not dominant or we try and get a big physical specimen with a high ceiling who may not be ready to start day one or may be like Benjamin and be inconsistent his rookie year. And I like DGBs potential but a questionable work ethic is a killer in a guy who needs plenty of polishing..

I understand that you think that a 1000 yard season is a bench mark and it is to a casual fans or media which looks at the surface and don't look further. But to knowlegeable fans and the experts, raw numbers mean nothing unless they are in context. Plus the average length of time for a back stat includes guys who make the team as backups, or are on rookies contracts, not legitimate starters or first rounders. I am surprised you persist with such trite concrete thinking I would expect from a poster on ESPN, not someone here who claims some expertise. .

Dont agree that Agholor is anything special particularly for us. Safest pick? LOL I would take Cooper, White, Parker and Perriman before I would take Agholor. In fact I would consider Strong or DGB in the second before I would pick Agholor. They at least have size and strength and are a better fit for a vertical ball control offense with a quarterback who is inconsistent. Nelson will make a very good wide receiver in a WCO or Erhardt-Perkins offense which stretches the field horizontally where blocking is a luxury and not a necessity. Honestly we have fast guys in Ginn and Brown and need a bookend for Benjamin given few teams have 2 corners over 6'1" ft tall. It gives immediate match-up problems for any team. Another 6-2 or taller with a big catching radius is who we need IMHO. If we are settling for a average size average strength guy with middling blocking skills there are plenty in the draft. Gettleman likes guys with great physical skills who he can teach the fundamentals of the position. So someone like Coates or Funchess for example in the second or third offers a very high ceiling but are projects running routes and being a finished product. Who is Funchess most compared to in some analyses? Benjamin..... I might also take Waller in the 5th where we have 3 picks. Unless we think Stephen Hill might develop since Waller is the Stephen Hill of this draft.

I would expect you to use quantity stats instead of quality stats. Anyone knows that getting 1000 yards isnt hard if you get the ball 279 times like he did in 2013. But his yards per carry was under 4 and he averaged 1 touchdown every 50 rushes. He had 2 fantastic seasons and a third very good one. But his probowl appearances and his production dropped off after that. Starting in 2011 he got a big head and decided that he was worth a bunch of money and signed the biggest contract for a running back at 4 years and 53.5 million. Since he signed that contract his production dipped and he was not worth the spot he was drafted in or the money he was paid. If he had remained humble and played out his rookie contract I suspect he would have been more successful and certainly less entitled. He just follows a long line of folks who are great until they get a megacontract and underperform after that. So no my example was a good one if you look at more than what it is on the surface and aren't linear in your thinking.

Drafting is anything but simple and it is hard to say anything with certainty until things actually unfold. And the 6th best receiver versus number 1 corner was only for illustration not how I think it will go. The wide receiver field is strong as much for the depth as for the number of guys at the top. So there will be starters who can picked up through the first 3 rounds at receiver. If for example Goldman and Ogholor are both there at 25 for me it is a no brainer. One is a beast of a man who can be developed into the next Kris Jenkins for example while Ogholor offers little to distinguish himself from a physical or athletic choice. If we are picking the 6th or 7 th best player at a position I would opt for Left tackle instead of receiver. Harder to find and more expensive to pick up in free agency,

It is value question. Do you want the 6th best WR or the best corner? Secondly Benjamin is a huge physical specimen. I dont see that Ogholor is a physical specimen or that unique so there is no reason to pick him over someone else who would be a better value and close in ability.

Two things. Gettleman often likes physical specimens like Benjamin. Agholor is not the big target we need for Cam given his tendency to throw high and inaccurately. Secondly there are certain schools that for whatever reason have talented players who don't make it in the NFL but 16 in a row?? Again I would surely hope that he is the one to break the string particularly if we pick him. As a Panther fan, who wouldnt. I just think he is like many guys who shoot up the draft boards and are reaches. Reminds me of a ECU running back who shot up the board and was a first round pick- Chris Johnson. A guy who flamed out and ultimately was a reach. Just my opinion.

I dont see us looking at Agholor before the second. No way is he worth a first rounder being arguable the 5th or 6th best receiver in the draft. Why go for 6th best when you can get a similar talent in the third round and instead get a top corner, or other position. He just isnt a good value int he first and frankly isnt so unique we cant approximate his skills further down the draft. And yes being from USC is an issue since the last one of their receivers that really panned out was in the 90s. For whatever reason their guys do not pan out in the NFL and with the last 16 being busts si surely not pure chance.

Your right I am done. But before I go let me clarify a few things.. I am biased and opinionated. It is the human condition and since Spock died we are out of Vulcans. Everyone filters everything through a filter called your " already always knowing" . You see and hear what you expect to hear and respond to new information based on how it aligns which what you already know. I have the self awareness to see my preferences and biases while those believing they are unbiased and objective haven't little insight about their own inner workings. That is why eyewitness testimony is one of the worse pieces of evidence in terms of accuracy yet is most often believed by juries. One of the reasons that game film is not nearly as useful as people think. We all see the same thing but it is the interpretation of what we see or remember is biased by what we expect or want to see. My premise all along was that Agholor is a great receiver and so is Hardy. They are not the same and yet both hopefully will be productive. I think Hardy is a better value in the third than Agholar in the top of the second. I hope Agholar breaks the 16 year string of USC receivers underachieving after going high in the draft. If we take him I will be hopeful he is everything you believe. Why am I biased to Hardy. He is a walk on who worked his butt off to be a starter and get a scholarship and he will bring that same tenacity to the NFL knowing the blessing he has been given. He has grit and toughness and none of the swag of a big school receiver. He plays with something to prove. A common theme for the Panthers the past few years. He would be a great fit....