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I am sure the protests will spike cases as well. Two wrongs don't make a right. And who cares about China's cases unless you are trying to deflect from the 125,000 dead already and hospitals filling up.

The testing data doesn't impact the hospitalization rates which are also rising. So no increased testing doesn't account for the total increase in cases and hospitalizations. Another lie by this government to sit back while people keep dying in an attempt to save the election in November. The latest example of politics over human life.

It seems clear that while you can argue the numbers and get out of it what you are looking for, the bottom line is as long as the cases and number of hospitalizations keeps rising so will people dying. Whether it ends up to be a death rate of 1% or lower isn't as important as keeping the hospitals from being overwhelmed like in New York which is what drove the death toll higher. Right now the ICU use rate for Arizona is 88% and going higher. There is no rational argument you can make for not wearing masks and practicing social distancing. No matter the number differences and let's be real here, this administration wants the country and the economy open to win reelection and they will fudge numbers and willingingly let people die to further their political agenda. With politicians running the numbers instead of scientists my trust in the CDC and this government is nil. So we can either wait until we get overwhelmed again or do the responsible thing as we go. You would think we would learn from our mistakes instead of continuing to do it over and over again.

That is what people tell themselves to justify their behavior or make the risk more palatable to venture out as an essential worker often for low wages. There are more cases here than anywhere else because as a nation we are impulsive. We are ,risk takers who gets easily bored and have little patience. Truth is that it wouldn't be the inevitable result that you would get the virus if we had acted sooner in the beginning and with more patience before opening up. In epidemiology terms days and weeks can make huge differences. It has never been about not opening up until there is a vaccine. That extreme argument is being spouted to justify the continued folly of errors that are made by the government daily. It has always been about opening responsibly based on scientific data instead of intuition and hope. Covid 19 has killed more folks than all of our wars in the last 40 years. And we are still in phase 1 which is the beginning not the end. You can think what you want but I know history will be on my side on this one and Covid 19 is no joke and it ain't the flu.

There is medication to help with that confused thinking.

The issue with schools isn't kids getting sick but being the vector to spread it to teachers, and their own families. As you note, multigenerational homes are becoming very common these days and the spread from schools reopening would be huge. And kids playing at home and using online instruction is fine as long as someone can take care of them. Parents who both work struggle to manage the kids at home unless one or both can also work from home

The question has never been baby proofing the populace. Opening up has never been in question either. Pitting the choice as one of two extremes is a popular way to justify ignoring government guidelines and going head long down a course that we already saw what happened. It was always about how to open to maximize safety while allowing for the data to guide our decisions. Science over economics instead of the other way around. No one is against reopening as long as it governed by reason and by listening to the experts who make these kind of events their life's work.

It isn't just worrying about dying but also getting seriously sick which I am told is like suffocating slowly. As someone who scuba dives I have had that feeling a few times. I can't imagine feeling that way for days. And that is 20% of all people including folks of all ages.

Projection rates are simply predictions about future numbers using current or previous data. The scary data was simply an extrapolation that if all 380 million Americans got the virus and the death rate was 1% then it would be 3-4 million dead or until we developed Herd immunity. As we got more information and saw that the rate was lower we revised our numbers down. The present projection of 130,000 by August is based on many people social distancing and continued caution. But those numbers could also rise drastically as well if people just ignore the very things that have controlled the virus from getting out of hand in thr first place.

To your point, most testing stats report the number of tests administered which is the not the same as individuals tested. Because people who test positive are often tested regularly until they are negative and then sometimes tested again. So one person could be tested 4 times and counts in both categories. But it would be 4 tests and one person. That means that increased testing doesn't necessarily account for all the increases in positive tests unless we change how to account for everything instead of lumping them together to show a large testing aggregate number.

We didn't produce vaccines for SARs 1 because it largely went away, didn't infect that many and economically it wasn't lucrative. For the Corona there was billions in seed money spread out over the whole world and billions more for whoever delivers an effective vaccine. Plus 10 years in medical research is a lifetime. They have already developed the vaccine. In fact there are a few different types. A few are traditional formulations of weakened or dead viruses while others are based on RNA strands of virus material which also work to create antibodies. This in addition to the studies using antibodies from recovered folks to directly pass them on to healthy people. The time needed is mostly spent in human trials making sure it works and doesn't infect healthy people causing exactly what is it designed to prevent. It appears that these are being shortened and modified for speed. So yes it is only a matter of time which is the point. I have a small business and I have been impacted personally. That doesn't mean I abandon any concern because it caused me economic hardship.. That is the point. We have more cases and people dying than any other country because of a me first screw the rest attitude you are endorsing. And it didn't, and doesn't have to be that way. But you are not alone. As a population we are impulsive, impatient and self-absorbed. But that hardly should be seen as affirmation of of the ideals that founded this country. The idea that what I want is the most important thing, and that I earned it and don't owe anybody anything is a fairly new concept in our country. It has really been since the 80s that this had taken off as more and more people gained wealth. Prior to that the emphasis was on what you could do to serve others rather than serve yourself. As you watch the protests consider that your dismissive attitudes about the elderly and medically fragile are not that different from the attitudes of those dismissing the concerns of minorities. An attitude suggesting that this is the way it is so let's just move on and if people die, that is their problem not mine.

That is one approach. The wrong one. The right one is continue to push for more tests and more contact tracking and refuse to participate until it is safe. You can open up all the restaurants you want. If people don't frequent them, it sends a clear message. The other one will hopefully be delivered in November.

And if that were happening across the country then this could be contained and managed but it isn't, even though the guidelines the government put out said to do exactly this. One week after they came out they were ignored in a rush to open back up. We screwed up the first time through the country and are on a path to do it again

Again if this were only about you then that would be fine. But it isnt. And we aren't talking about forever, maybe 6- 9 months before we have a vaccine. And the GDP in the second quarter is expected to go down 2%. Truth is many sectors are not that hurting and a lot of those unemployed made more on unemployment than they did working. Outbreaks do occur, but a huge part of the problem is not learning from our experience, being prepared, or folks like you who only care about themselves. There is a path to open the economy and keep people safe but it isn't the one we have taken or the one you suggest. All of the goveremts own guidelines for opening up were tossed away a week after they were distributed.

Yep the next few weeks will tell us a lot.

And they brought the Corona back with them and caused many of the outbreaks 2 or 3 weeks later throughout the country especially since many didn't know they had it. The highest number of positive tests were between the ages of 18 and 44 when I last checked and the asymptomatic folks are primarily responsible for spreading it. So yeah it might not kill you but young folks are most likely to be the Covid 19 version of Typhoid Mary. So yeah I agree with you.

Totally disagree. The point of social distancing was to keep what happened in Italy and New York from happening in the rest of the country. It was always about not overwhelming the hospitals which would have pushed the death rate from below 1% to closer to 3 or 4 %. And social distancing has done that. The attitude if not caring about anyone but yourself is a big reason why we have more cases than any other country. The whole I don't care anymore and I'll take my chances is a selfish attitude and reflects the current me versus we attitude which is huge part of the problem in this country. The fact many others are being selfish and self absorbed is hardly an adequate justification. So if I handed you a bag of m&Ms and said 3 were poisoned, would you be the first to eat one or would you let other guys eat them until 3 of them died and then eat with no worries?

People forget that with asymptomatic cases being up to 50% and another 30% being mild, it takes roughly 2 weeks for someone to get seriously sick and a few more days to die so honestly we will see a spike between now and 2 weeks from now accounting for the memorial day weekend. The protest spike won't be really seen for 2-3 weeks.

The cases went down because we social distanced. As soon as we stop doing that it will go way back up. If you didn't notice that most folks still social distance and millions won't go out to eat at a restaurant because folks can't eat or drink and wear a mask. The old saw of heat kills the virus may be true to a small extent but this is the South and folks go inside to the air conditioning when it gets hot. So being inside will be the same in June as it will in January. There are 20 states where the infection rate is going up and many are in the south and west where it is hot already. Georgia and Florida are 2 of them and they were some of the first to open up.

That is going to be a tough decision if he ends up being the odd man out given if we waive him in order to put him on the practice squad he could be snatched by someone else. I wouldnt be surprised if he finds his way onto IR if we want to keep him but don't have a roster spot today. We did the same thing with Hill.

So if KB, Funchess, Hill and Garrett and Ginn were our starting WRs there isnt a secondary that would stand a chance. We would have the speed and size to blow everyone away. And yes I am prematurely putting Garrett and Hill in there over Philly and Bersin and the rest but just looking at their size along with speed and the matchup problems it would cause.

I think this list is very appropriate for May. We haven't even had OTAs. Makes sense that the roster from last year mixed in with some practice squad guys and draft picks would be favorites to make the 53. There is still a good chance for guys to make the roster. For me the most interesting group will be the corners. The success of our defense will be largely impacted by our corners. This division has plenty of talented and big receivers which put extreme pressure on a secondary particularly on rookies with no experience. It is a good thing that our team has several big guys I the mix. I think we bring in a vet corner and put one of the depth backups on the IR list with the ability to return. By that time we will know if we need the vet corner or not.

First of all we have a 50/50 chance of it being defense or offense so not a big risk going out on a limb there. As for BPA, people think that means the general consensus BPA from all positions as if they are all equal. Our board BPA is best player available for our team which has to include our needs and how we would use him. So clearly a quarterback will never be our BPA as long as Newton is performing at an MVP level. But Shaq was not at a position of need as much as Funchess was. But Gettleman saw his flexibility to be a 3 down linebacker, replacement for Davis, and could play the run and pass. So he becomes a great value more than a great need. I think a running back or tight end make sense but I also think that there are defensive players that if they drop will be snatched as well. He loves his hog mollies as well and while you can pick up a RB or TE in free agency, finding an OT or DE is much harder and more expensive. And knowing Gettleman, that is a big concern as well.

I can't deny that some teams are so desperate they way overpay decent talent. Glad we aren't one of them.

It is fine to say that but who would pay him that kind of money. He had one great year not 5 or 6. All teams have to do is throw away from him and he becomes a nonfacto. Look at last year. After he got the four picks early, how many did he get the rest of the year.