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Absolutely. He is only scratching the surface of the force he can be. He needs to put on some more muscle to help with durability and we have the next Michael Strahan.

Smitty is areceiver and sees through a receivers eyes. He would be biased toward OBJ who is controversial just like he was. You have to just take what he said understanding the lense he filters everything through. Then again, C'Mon Man........

That's me too. I would have an average arm and great intangibles than a great arm and suspect ability to read and react for whom the game never slows down.

In college you play football when you aren't going to class or doing others things. In the pros football is your job and all you do. You have time for whatever you need to do. You are getting paid a ton to do nothing else. The equipment and technology they have available to them now is way beyond anything you would have had no matter where you went. No there is no comparison.

Agreed. I am told you don't try and bulk up but you actually do strength exercises using bands for instance while replicating your throwing motion so you don't do exactly what you mentioned. Plus it should be a gradual process while still practicing your throwing motion so you gain velocity and strength while still maintaining your flexibility, and keep your mechanics and timing.

That may or may not be true. If you are working on your mechanics at the same time you work on your strength improvement they should stay relatively consistent. Especially if you use exercises that reproduce the types of movements you will be doing such as throwing a ball the change will be so gradual it won't necessarily change your timing. Or at least my daughter the athletic trainer and physical therapist said that was the case and she works with college and some pro athletes.

When I see how guys like Smitty and McCaffrey really bulked up and got a lot stronger in an NFL strength program why don't we see it with QBs. Other than Cam and a few outliers most QBs are not that strong and don't change from college to the pros. If they don't work out to get stronger or faster you would think they would to at least protect from injury which can be at least somewhat mitigated by increased musculature. I guess they don't think there is much you can do to improve or it isn't important.

One thing I have pondered is why QB can't improve arm strength or at least ball velocity. It gets taught routinely in high school and college. If qbs can get stronger as they work out with an NFL regime why wouldn't they be able to improve velocity. Seems a lot of it is technique more than brute strength.. https://www.finchperformance.ca/post/3-ways-to-increase-velocity-when-throwing-the-football

I agree that of course you want the total.package as would every team but often you have to weigh what is more important. The common mistake is to.look for athletes and believe you can coach accuracy and increase processing speed with training and time. Just like we did with Darnold. He has a strong arm and has shown he is more athletic than many thought. But what has been his problem all of his career is lack of quick processing and poor decisionmaking. So again if you can have it all that is great but if I have to pick and choose, football intelligence, quick processing and the ability to read defenses have consistently shown to be more important to QB success. And something that apparently isn't as easy to teach as many think.

Clearly this is going in circles and some of us have to work. For what it is worth I hope Mac sucks this week and is awful. Not going to spend all morning going round and round about a player I really don't care about and will be rooting against this Sunday.

If arm strength is so important than how does Brady keep winning Super Bowls as his arm strength diminishes or how did Brees keep winning when he clearly couldn't heave it that deep? Arm strength is great to have just like being able to run fast and be elusive. But in the long scheme of what makes a QB great attributes like intelligence, accuracy, the ability to stay healthy having a good supporting cast of players and coaches are more important that a rifle arm.

Easy to speculate with hypotheticals. And he isn't limited in ability. The recent trend to only value mobile athletic QBs and denigrate most traditional pocket passers ignores that the QB with the most SB wins is not very athletic or mobile. And Cousins was a 4th round pick who didn't play much until year 4. Meanwhile Jones was a first rounder who beat out an athletic veteran for the starting job and has played well for a rookie.

Like both. Do you dislike him because you think he has no talent or because he replaced Cam?

And personally I hope he sucks and looks awful on Sunday.

It already has aged well. I didn't say he would be the next Tom Brady or be an All pro. I said he was the most pro ready which he has shown and done well in a good offense. Both true. I am interested in seeing how he develops much like I am the other rookies who are starting. But anyone who knows football also knows that injuries and many other factors play as important a role in career success than just raw talent.

How would I know. I never claimed to be anything other than a fan. But that doesn't mean I can't be right about things like the fact Mac would be the most pro ready QB and will do well in a good system

Ok course you are because you haven't been here that long. Some of us have posted for over a decade.

Everyone. Including the almost interception last week. Let's see how he does on Sunday and then we will have more grist for the mill.

So your excuse for being wrong a lot and posting stupid things is that you have good company. Some of us actually do know what we are talking about. Maybe you should post less and read more.

And you are aware that I posted his career stats for the NFL which was a total of 1 start and a total of 71 passes. And you think that is enough to predict his future?? Are you premature about everything like you are about your proclamations of his success or failure after such little time?

His whole career is largely a 5-0 start in the XFL where he was the star of the league. He hasn't played enough in the NFL to get much of a read on anything. His career stats in the NFL are that he has attempted 71 passes total over 2 1/2 seasons which for most starting quarterbacks usually takes 2 or 3 games. So exactly how is that enough to decide he has always sucked??

Exactly. So why keep posting and cementing that point home daily.

sorry I took satire for stupidity. Why would we trade for Wilson if you can get a guy like White who plays better and won't break the bank or cost tons of draft picks? If anything this shows that trading multiple first rounders is a mistake and they were wrong for mortgaging their future with Wilson to begin with.

Spoiler alert. You were wrong then and you still are.

So what if a year in the system and tailoring a game plan to maximize his strengths might make him better than he has shown up to now? As a backup you get little practice with the ones and the game plan was formulated based on Darnolds strengths not PJ. This week he will get all the reps and the gameplan will be focused on him. Now if he still sucks then you might have a point.