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Not close. In the only game we saw Dalton play he was decisive, threw into a blitz, was quick with his throws and called audibles to beat the pressure. Things veteran quarterbacks know how to do. Things Bryce isn't doing. Young needs to see Dalton do more with the same group of players as a blueprint for what he should be doing. We fired our quarterback coach because they werent helping Bryce learn the spread offense and how to attack defenses. It is one thing to see it on a tablet and watch film of all the things you did wrong versus watching someone call the exact same play and execute it differently and more effectively.

On defense no and on offense used differently. We have road graders like 79 who don't pass block as well as they run block. Our scheme didn't fit our personnel and our lack of receiver talent.

Don't agree that any experience is positive for a player. Up until recently the norm was sitting rookies and letting them learn. Dalton is a veteran and can run the offense better. Having a rookie quarterback play some and then watch some and then play some more is ideal if the backup can teach the rookie a lot. This is exactly what we have. Young is regressing not progressing. Doing more of the same is David Carring him. A change right now makes sense with a focus next year to building around him. You aren't giving up so much as readjusting and giving him time to watch and learn. Meanwhile you change the scheme for Bryce. Our current scheme fits Dalton better than Bryce.

Bryce needs to sit and watch. More playing isn't going to.make him better if he keeps doing the same things wrong and he thinks he is doing it right. (If he didn't think he was doing it well he would do something else. Unless he can't which means he needs to sit and watch Dalton who is likely to play much better. Maybe his injuries will act up and we can see Dalton in there.

Bryce needs to sit and watch. What was touted as his super power which was quick processing and decision making was serious lacking today. He looks scared when pressured and takes sacks when he could throw the ball away. Throwing two pick sixes on the same route is unexcusable Maybe he will end up great and no one is abandoning him but honestly he regressed tonight against a defense that gave up 40 points in its last 3 games. I think Bryce isn't going to get better until he sees how it should be done. Something he can do watching Dalton.

I am just going to watch them week by week and enjoy the rest of the season. I am just not going to make predictions given how this year has gone so far. Hard to know what happens from here. Obviously predicting continued failure is the safest position but who knows......

As long as you score more points than they do it doesn't matter how many you score. Each game are composed of individual matchups between players on 2 teams. Averages, points per game don't matter. Today we were good enough. I wish each week for the rest of the year that we are good enough that day against that team. Score more points than they do. Leave the stats to the losers.

Seems many guys are running their version of Fangio's system. Evero can be replaced as can everyone.

What I liked was Bryce taking us down for a game winning drive, draining the clock and Piniero for the win. We have had chances before to drive it down and win in the 4th but somehow screwed it up. This was the first time we actually accomplished our goal and won. That was huge and a huge step for Bryce. Hopefully the first of many.

Great win today. Haven't heard sweet Caroline in a while.

I wish you strength to persevere, love to share with your precious family, a continued sense of humor to appreciate the wild unexpected twists and the resilience to bounce back no matter the blows. None of us are getting out of here alive but how we live makes all the difference. I applaud your hard work.

Needed it or in an abundance of caution we are resting his ankle and trying to look at the long term? Why would you risk further injury when you have a capable backup. It is just a bonus he can watch Dalton while he recuperates. I am sure he isn't happy he is sitting as he is a competitor. Your take on all this suggests you didn't want him from the start and have an agenda here.

Now we have gone from judging a draft pick after 3 seasons to calling them a bust after 2 weeks.

One of the things I want to see is whether the offense looks better or worse with Dalton. From what I have read much of the ultimate play choosing is based on reading the defense and audibelizing to what works. There are several options we can do from a particular formation so we line up the same whether we run or pass. The question is playcalling or execution? This Sunday may shed some light.

Have you ever played competitive sports at any level? From your responses the answer appears to be no. Truth is you can blame our fans for that. Booing your own guy 2 games into his rookie year. When they interviewed Derek Carr he said he couldn't believe the fans were booing in his first home start. He noted that fans have no idea how hard it is to play QB.

Keep going. I said a lot of things including what I said I did. Why do you get pleasure out of trying to discredit others? Low self- esteem and feelings of inadequacy which you think makes you look better at the expense of others?

Looking forward to seeing Andy play. Bryce can use the time to regroup and regain his confidence which you can see he has lost a bit and he looks tentative and won't chuck it down the field. Sitting should help him take stock and get ready to jump back in in a few weeks. I think the staff doesn't want to David Carr him and this is one way to help him without making it obvious there is an issue

Looking forward to seeing Andy play. Bryce can use the time to regroup and regain his confidence which you can see he has lost a bit and he looks tentative and won't chuck it down the field. Sitting should help him take stock and get ready to jump back in in a few weeks. I think the staff doesn't want to David Carr him and this is one way to help him without making it obvious there is an issue

Totally disagree. Young is going to be fantastic in a few years. Did you see Manning play as a rookie? I did and it was ugly. Guys like Burns, Moton, Chinn, Hekker among others are great players. We have a bunch of upcoming guys with great ability who are learning and growing. Only a casual angry fan would throw in the towel after 2 games. Did you expect him to do what no other rookie qb has done in a decade which was win his first start or look great immediately? I said months ago that we would likely start slow and could lose our first several games but by the end of the year we will be a tough out and could challenge for the division (assuming that no one wins more than 10 games). I still hold to that view. Have I been disappointed through 2 games? Absolutely, but what I am watching for is game to game improvement and we surely played a better game Monday versus Atlanta. This staff is a good staff based on their previous performances and once they gel will help us really get things rolling. I am not sad Andy is starting. I suspect Bryce could use a rest and watch the veteran play while he watches and see what happens on the field. I have heard a number of QBs say it helped them to play, sit and then play again. I am not looking at this as 4 years of sucking. I look at this as 2 games into a new improved regime where Tepper finally did something right. I expected a bunch of whining and bitching from huddle members as that is what they do But I have to admit I didn't expect this much after 2 games. I stayed away for 48 hours to hope the whining would die down but it seems to be a Neverending story around here.

41 and you are worried about seeing us not win a Superbowl. In my screen name the 55 stands for the year I was born. I have been here since the start. I couldn't afford to go to Superbowl 38 but did go to Superbowl 50 and took the whole family. I really did think we were going to win. I said I hoped it wouldn't take another 12 years but it looks like it might. So I can bitch and worry about the Panthers not winning a Superbowl in my lifetime. Wait another 25 or 30 years and if we haven't win one by then, you are justified in worrying and bitching. Just saying..... For the record I think we will be in a superbowl in 5 years and hopefully we finally win one. I plan to be there when we do.

If scenario 1 occurs then the staff have to decide who to play and it could blow back on starting Young if he goes out and we keep losing. Might mean he sits for a while like Mahomes and many others gave. Scenarios 2 and 3 would indicate Dalton sucks and actually increase the chances Young starts the next game. But honestly the notion the staff sucks is not going to fly with most knowledgeable folks who thought we would struggle out of the gate with new staff and a rookie qb.

Good writeup. It confirms what seemed clear was that Bryce got rattled and those interceptions did play tricks with his head. He became hesitant when he needed to throw on timing, and chucked the ball out of bounds in the direction of a covered receiver when his first read got shut down. I expect him to be improved against a potentially tougher defense.

You are ignoring the obvious though. If you listened to the announcers talking football when they werent slobbobbing the Falcons and Bijan, they made the point that Atlanta's defense was predicated on keeping everything short and in front of them. So Bryce was taking what the defense was giving him. He isn't good enough yet to dictate to the defense so of course everything was short or incomplete. Expect the Saints to do the same while bringing more pressure. Hopefully we work on more intermediate to long passes while cleaning up the shorter stuff over the middle.

So let's talk about playcalling. How much was gameplanning, poor adjusting, poor execution, or something else. You see the play run not the play called or what adjustments were or were not made. Were the protections good or not? How many plays like that first 4th and 1 were intentionally called right over the left to see what we are capable of rather than trying to score using a finesse play which stood a better chance of success. The playcalling wasn't adequate and the execution was poor. But I am withholding judgement until I see some more games.