panthers55

Funny. Thanks for calling me young. I rarely get that comment since I retired....

Nah. You just can't accept you aren't the most interesting or the most knowledgeable man on this board. Keep reaching like that and you might pull something.

That isn't what the board said about trading him for future firsts. Those folks wanted to do the deal. That is what the folks who didn't want to trade him like myself said given future picks are devalued and not worth the same as a 2023 1st. Once again you are the one who seems rather confused.

Again no one said you should accept a third for a future 1st. Just that from a value point of view, future picks are devalued by GMs who do this every day. That is a reality. You can spin it how you want but that is how the system currently works. Glad you arent the GM apparently you have no clue how future picks are valued.

Again stupid logic. First of all we didn't take the trade so this is all moot. But since we don't know what position any will be drafting in 2 years from now teams aren't going to make a bunch of trades for draft picks down the road. Most trades are for players for future picks or for the current draft where you know what you are getting. The future draft picks unless high ones are enticements to do the deal but not what teams are banking on unless they know you are drafting in the top 10. Too much uncertainty. And tell me how Cleveland and all their number 1 picks have become a dynasty.

You are the second to mention it. Thanks.

True we looked awesome in the first half but pretty poor in the second half.

Ok thanks for the clarification. I guess I should change it or I will get 50 folks saying the same thing.

He will get a bunch for sure and with Rhule here I might agree. But Wilks has them fired up and they are a top 10 unit. Peppers was here longer before he got discontent.

No what you said is stupid logic. Who know what happens in 2025? You don't value potential which can vary from a number 1 pick to a number 32 pick the same as a proven commodity. Burns cost us a top 10 pick and has been everything we thought he would be. He has stayed healthy and is the best DE we have. Future picks are always valued less than current picks and should be. While we aren't a player or two away we also don't need a complete rebuild. He is a core of the defense and teams gameplan against him. That is worth more than what we could get years from now.

But the right way to look at trading a first rounder who is a top DE for potential picks in a few years.

He can. His issue is gap discipline and staying where he needs to be not holding the edge.

Not true. Guys like Von Miller are around the same size and he can play in a 3-4 or 4-3.

A first round pick in 2025 is worth what now? A third maybe. And a 1st in the 20s in 2024 is worth what? Maybe a little more. So we trade our best pass rusher who has improved significantly for what amounts to a couple of middle round picks in value. We can pay him and still have a low cap number in 2023 as new extensions are always cap friendly in year 1.

Not sure if we do that unless we have someone better to replace him. Wouldn't be surprised to see some kickers try out this week.

They sit around all day doing little but kicking the ball when needed. They make millions of dollars to kick it between the sticks. Good kickers make those. Unemployed ones dont.

I wasn't surprised we lost, disappointed? Absolutely. But we didn't deserve to win today. You have to snatch victory when you get a chance and we didn't. Special teams cost us today.

It was both. DJ for making a routine extra point a 40 yard field goal and for the kicker missing not 1 but 2 kicks which are in his range. And let's be real it was indoors on turf. Nothing to account for weather wise. No excuse to shank it.

To me you pick the guy who is athletic, accurate and football smart. Height isn't the biggest issue except at it relates to durability. Short little guys gets injured. Sometimes so do big guys. But if you look around the NFL I like the Josh Allen, Jalen Hurtz kind of guy who might need some time to learn the game but are big and athletic and mostly durable. Who is that guy??? After yesterday it doesn't look like Levis is the guy but honestly Hooker looks the part so far. Looking to see who emerges.

I don't even worry about the draft at this point. I just want our guys to go to Atlanta and kick some Falcon butt. I don't like their team and watched too many losses in that stadium since my younger brother and father were Falcon fans. I don't like any team in our division and want to beat them anytime we play. Things around here are so unpredictable I wouldn't be banking on anything but the present. I don't like losing and never have. I always thought those who try to justify losing as a good thing have had lots more opportunity to lose and are comfortable with it.

No this would not be a good idea. He surely isn't an OLB and Woods is a better SS. Chinn needs to play FS and do his best Ed Reed, Steve Atwood, Brian Dawkins imitation. He is an awesome intimidator in the secondary and can come up and make plays all over the field. You can put him at linebacker and he is undersized and likely to be hurt or you can put him at safety where he is bigger and more dominant and can cover bigger receivers Saying the same thing over and over doesn't make you right.

Chinn is 6'3" and 220. He is a big safety. He let's us play a nickel defense without giving up too much in the run game. In our defense both safeties have to be good against the run and the pass. With all the blitz packages both safeties will get opportunities to blitz and well as provide zone support. You need thumpers all over the field who make receivers get alligator arms.

That is great news. The only thing that I would hate more than losing guys like McCaffrey would hiring that weasel and asshole as coach.

I want to see CMC on the Panthers with a competent offense. The hell with Buffalo they have an excess of talent already. He is getting tens of millions to be our offense win or lose. I don't feel sorry for him either. This is a business and he is too valuable an asset to trade but Fitterer says he will listen to every offer.

Truth is it is better to make sure Horn is 100% before playing him. It isn't like he is going to singlehandedly change the game.ets see what happens. Tae for example played well in the times he has been in.