panthers55

How do you think a defense which gave up 200 yards on the ground and 138 of those by halftime is doing better than the offense. It was over 6 yards a carry for Jacksonville even when we knew they were going to run. Both were dreadful. We were on pace to give up almost 500 yards which got reduced to 378 when Jacksonville focused on running out the clock instead of scoring more points. Do you know how many 3 and outs we caused all game. I drive at the beginning of the second half. Pitiful. Our offense had two 3 and outs which is not that unusual but surely nothing to write home about. No the defense is starting out exactly where it ended last year- historically bad.

That is why you have to have a good running game to take advantage of a light box.

Thielen contemplated retirement last offseason. This was his last year. Belichick used to get mad praise for trading someone before they retired or were a free agent and still had value. That is exactly what Morgan did. It was a gift which fell into Morgan's lap.

I don't think Morgan sees it that way. He talked about Adam's mentorship being a key reason he thinks Coker can man the slot and he can make the trade. If he didn't believe in his young core he wouldn't make the trade. He was emphatic is has to benefit the Panthers as well. Adam wasn't expected to be the go to guy this year.

It was Canales' choice I heard. He liked his physical skills and expressed an interest in working with him. We should always have a qb on the practice squad. Me I am a zappe fan given we both attended WKU obviously decades apart.

Morgan said Minnesota called wanting Adam back and he told Thielin about it who said he would be interested n going back there since he has a house there and could end his career at the place he started. Morgan said he would do his best but wouldn't give him away for free. But Adam wanted the trade and Dan accommodated him while trying to get something for him. Dan didn't want to trade him but as a former player he knows how important playing in one place can be. And his respect for Adam compelled him to get the deal done.

His style of downfield throwing is Bryce's style as well now. We have several downfield threats who are good with contested balls or getting wide open. That makes it easier for Bryce to toss it up and have the receivers go up and get it. Kind of like what Delhomme had with Steve Smith. Bryce was huge under pressure and with the deep ball at the end of last year. They worked offseason to bring in guys to help Bryce with receivers and running backs. XL and TMac were brought in to help Bryce with the scheme Canales is going to use. There is no new or old scheme anymore. Just the scheme we are using this year.

If we pick in the top 10 because the offense didn't perform you are right. And I would be all for it. I was advocating bringing in one this year to provide competition. Bryce is still got to show an upward projection from where he was last year. I was thrilled and shocked by his improvement but let's be real the floor after the first 2 games was the basement not even the ground floor. It had to improve. Maybe Hooker can be that guy if Bryce struggles. I Iiked him coming out of college

One thing I will say is you always have to get in the last word and keep repeating yourself as if that makes you right. Since Bryce and Canales are on the same page and this pffensive scheme us designed for Bryce uour round peg argument is off base as well. But don't let that stop you since it hasn't in the past. Unless you can say something new or use facts and expert opinions to back up your comments as I have, I am done. You clearly have nothing to add to the conversation but the same circular comments which are simply your unsupported opinions. I don't have time to waste going back and forth. Carry on.

Bryce won't go anywhere until his rookie deal is up. If we pick in the top 10 next year it will be bringing in another qb to challenge and potentially take over.

Don't think your comparisons are germaine. Teddy and Bryce are nothing alike. And no I am not always right or wrong but the difference is I let the experts inform me and follow those who do know. And after all the constant wrong takes you go on and on about just like this one, I don't feel like we are kindred souls or like minded. I will be glad to compare my takes versus yours anytime. And have no clue what you are talking about regarding stern lectures. But I can see around here if you take a constant negative approach to everything you get a lot of support and given our track record you may be right about some things. I don't live my life that way nor do I constant like to complain like you.

I wanted Stroud as well because Reich only wanted folks who fit his scheme and he isn't a good enough coach to adapt to his players. Canales didn't have that choice and was hired knowing that his job was developing Bryce. To his credit he was able to embrace the challenge and make the necessary changes.

You make little sense trying to argue a point which isn't germaine. If it was a round hole versus square peg that has changed. It no longer applies. So no you aren't in the present or you would acknowledge the change to where they are on the same page. As for the luke Kueckly agreement you finally hit one. Meanwhile not only did I tout Kueckly but others like Cam, CMC, among others when many on this board were critics.

We are surely overdue. And we better really improve if we are going to appear in the superbowl every 12 years. I think that is 2027.

That is irrelevant since Canales has adapted his style to Bryce. Here is an article which explains it. Again try to keep up and live in the present. https://www.readoptional.com/p/was-bryce-youngs-leap-for-real

Until now I agree. I really think Canales is the real deal in the Pete Carroll style of coaching. I don't know if he is an offensive genius like Andy Reid but a huge factor is getting players to buy into your philosophy and leave it all on the field. Players love Canales from what I have read and it seems his staff are good teachers. The jury is still out but this is the most positive I have felt in years. Then again I was hugely fooled by Reich and really thought he be much better than he was.

Not true at all. This is Bryce's offense designed for him to succeed. Last year was Canale's first year and it has taken time for him to understand his personnel and develop a scheme which maximizes the personnel he has. And it took time for Young to learn Canale's philosophy and scheme. So no they are on the same page and working in concert. That is why he improved each game the second half of the season. As for his deep ball at Alabama he didn't throw many as the scheme was designed for short and intermediate passes and he didn't have the great receivers Mac Jones had for example. After arguing in other posts that context and scheme matter I guess it didn't apply to Young.

Great coaches adapt their scheme to the personnel they have instead of trying to force players into a scheme that doesn't evolve.

You have never liked him and trash him at every turn. His rookie year you might have been right but blamed him instead of the terrible offensive line and no receivers to help. Last year with an improved line and better weapons things turned around when he returned from being benched. https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/new-stat-panthers-qb-bryce-young-immense-talent-clearer#:~:text=Zach Roberts | May 20%2C 2025&text=Bryce Young broke out last,yards without pressure in 2024.&text=When throwing deep%2C which is,be 13th in the NFL. His deep ball was ranked 10th among all QBs with and without pressure. PFF said his deep ball performance was the best in the league week 12 against KC who ended up in the superbowl. Truth is he has made huge improvements and with his improved receiver corps and consistent offensive line he will be better this year. His deep ball at Alabama was very good so it isn't like this is a shock. You need to allow facts to inform you instead of forming an opinion which you hold onto regardless of reality.

Lots of opinion and no facts. Typical for you. You decide what reality is and run down that road regardless of the facts. Props for being consistent.

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/bryce-young-best-against-pressure-throwing-deep Bryce is good under pressure and with the deep ball according to SI. Where do you get the idea he isn't? Your personal observations? PFF analysis? Just wondering.....

Martz didn't value the tight end position so he saw Olsen as expendable. Gregg came in here as a first round draft pick who was underused and immediately started connecting with Cam. Honestly I wanted to draft him in the first round when he went to Chicago.

I don't remember if it was Tremble but last year one of them remarked that it was the first year the tight ends were treated like wide receivers and taught how to actually play the position and how to get open versus shuffle downfield 5 yards and turn around.

Let's hope our starters stay healthy. Otherwise it could be a long year if a bunch of injuries show up.

I want us to win at home and make BOA a tough place to play instead of the joke it is now.