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Not sure I want Canales gone as much as I want him to find a sense of urgency and get a little more creative with his play calling. But I can't disagreee with what you say

lack of proofreading doesn't change the facts.

I don't know its fair to compare Prime Mannning and Brees to Young after two seasons especially given his first was with Reich who I think did more harm than good to Young's development.

I think it is easy to spend too much time worrying about the physical tools, or lack thereof. I suppose Cam spoiled everyone here. Manning didn't have the physical tools - maybe height - but nothing else. Brees didn't, Murray doesn't, etc.

Then you are making my argument for me that he is a big part of the problem here.

Of course not but neither could Brees and I doubt Murray with the Cardinals could do a sneak either. No doubt, he does play with some limitations. That doesn't make him bad

Football players dont magically grow taller from their senior year to starting in the NFL. Young had success playting against players with the same height as NFL players while in college. They may be better and stronger, but they are not taller so if his height wasn't a problem in College, than it shouldn't be in the NFL.

I disagree. I think Mayfield with Canales would have been successful here. They were at least while together in Tampa.

I'm simply pointing out how fast everyone is to judge QB's and blame all the Panther's ills on their play while completly ignoring the coaching/development staff.

And they all have more years of experience and are in a MUCH better environment from a coaching standpoint. I'm not sure any of them were that much better at the end of their second year

You are missing the point. I just wanted to highlight how board members have a tendency to give up too quickly on QB's as opposed to looking at the coaching staff.

That's what Atlanta said in week 18 of last year lol

Given all the Young hate here, I thought it would be interesting to have a look at some prior QB’s who’ve been similarly treated. Sam Arnold was brought here, had a couple of bad games and was summarily trashed by everyone. Then Baker Mayfield was brought in, had a couple of bad games, and like Darnold, was trashed. I remember everyone here posting how they weren’t “NFL starting material.” Well…. Darnold took the Vikings to the playoffs with a 14-3 record last year and has the Raiders looking good this year. Mayfield went on to the Bucs after and has led them to 3 straight NFC Championships. Again, neither of them are “starting” material according to a lot of you. It’s not only them either. Daniel Jones was run out of NY because he wasn’t good enough and yet he has lead the Colts to a 2-0 record and has the best stats of any QB so far this season. Mac Jones wasn’t good enough for the Patriots but is doing very well with the 49ers as well. Sometimes it not the player but rather it’s the lack of sound coaching that holds a player back. I’m not sure either Frank Reich or Dave Canales have been the best for Young’s development at this point. Of course I know a lot of you don’t care about all that so say you get your wish and they get rid of Young - then what. Maybe they can draft a “generational talent” like Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams. Maybe they could sign a free agent like Aaron Rodgers. Not really sure how much better we would be with any of them at this point. I know Young is an easy target but I just don't believe he is the real problem at this point. But hey, maybe he’ll go to the Saints and we can watch as he wins NFC South with them. You know history has a way of repeating itself.

Didn't like it but understood it. What I really didn't like was the lack of agressivness at the end of the first half. Down that many points you don't play conservative. Even if they don't score, the Cardinals probably don't either. I literally had to walk away at that point I was so pissed.

First: a big thanks for taking the time to do this. Second: "Panthers are in nickel with Scourton + Johnson as the EDGEs. Bunch to the right and who wants to guess the play call by Evero? If you guess cover 3, you win! " I think that pretty much sums up Evero's play calling. He's just too predictable and offenses are exploiting it.

Please. Anything but BY stuff.

Really? Well I looked and using the search function, I could only find 3 posts in the last 30 days on Evero. But maybe I missed it as every time I come on here there's nothing but BY suck threads lol. I'll look more carefully in the future and if I see something already posted in the previous week, I'll refrain from starting a new post.... Unless it's to comment on how much BY sucks

Agreed and I did say Canales future may be tied to him more than Young.

I get what you are saying but am not sure even with better players they would be much better. Heck, they invested heavily in free agency last year to get better against the run and yet they, again, gave up over 200 yrds rushing. That's been a common theme EVER SINCE EVERO HAS BEEN HERE.

Seriously, I don't know how this turned into another BY thread. It was in no way posted as a defense of him. I simply wanted to point out there are other things on this team that should be concerning besides him. Not sure how yall have turned it into another BY sucks post but here we are....again.

The Panthers won the other games at the beginning of the year were the defense held them to 22 and 17 points as well but they only scored 22 and 20 points themselves I don't think your argument passes the test.

Really? What other thread are you talking about because this is the only post I have started in a year or so. Secondly, am I only allowed to create a thread that has to do with how badly Young is doing. That's rich LOL. I was only half serious when I said the forums name should be changed but I guess I was right.

The Panthers had the worst defense in the history of the NFL last season and yet somehow, instead of commenting on how dissappointed they are in it or why might be the cause of it or how frustrated they are, the first 7 responses are all about BY. This place really has gone to crap. It's a one themed forum. Just change the name to the Bryce Young Sucks forum and quick pretending you car about the rest of the team.

Seems like almost everyone here blames Young for the Panthers losses while completely ignoring the defense and its impact on their record. Last year, they gave up 32 points a game which means they had to, on average, score 33 to win. In fact, in their last two wins, the Panthers scored 36 and 44 and they still just barely won as the defense gave up 30 and 38. Having to score 33 points to win a game is untenable long term regardless who your QB is. I have no idea why Canales decided to bring him back but given it was his decision to bring him back, Canales fate may be more closely tied to him than Youngs.

If it were just one post I would agree but it isn't.