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Saying their numbers are below average because they have played injured is just making excuses that do not hold up. They did not play hurt. They played till they got hurt and then they didn't play - simple. Funny you failed to bring up Caleb Williams. Mayfield is below Young in: comp % (63.4 vs 62.4), TD % (5.0 vs 4.9) and success rate (44.9 vs 44.1). He is not way above the average in any stat - none. Not even "a bunch". And since you ask, Young is not only above average, but is the best QB on 4th downs. His passer rating on 4th downs is 156.3, ahead of Mahommes, Mays, Geoff, Allen, Hurts, Preskott, etc. Not only is it the best, but he also is near the top in attempts so it's not like he had one attempt and it worked. Mayfield for comparison is anear the bottom on 4th downs with a rating of 30.1. Another area Young is above average with is GWD and 4th qtr comebacks - since you asked.

Looking at only the top passers only, it would appear they haven't changed but when you look at the NFL overall, they have. Here is a link to an ESPN article discussing that subject: Why passing numbers are down From that article, the passing numbers ince 2016 have gradually declined from 250.9 to 202.8

Well than so are Baker Mayfield, Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix, Michael Penix, Trevor Lawrence, Cam Ward and Caleb Williams. Are you claiming they should all be dumped because they are also below average?

You might not like him as an owner but you have to admit he has been great for the community.

That statement just reinforces what I said earlier.

He is 22nd in comp% ahead of Baker Mayfield, Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix, Michael Penix, Trevor Lawrence, Cam Ward and Caleb Williams. The league averge is 64.6. Young is currently 63.4%. I'm not sure a little over 1% difference below average is worth complaining about. Youngs' rating is 87.9, just behind Caleb Williams 88.2, Michael Penix 88.5 and CJ Stroud 91.1. Are these stats really what you are using to trash Young with.

I didn't say they did - CRA did and just responded to him saying "9 wins wouldn't mean much to him." That just seems foolish. Needless to say you saying you could care less about the Panthers' having a winning season just proves you care more about your own "Bryce Young sucks" narrative than the Panther's having success.

You didn't say 7, you said 9. I just repeated ytour words. Bryce has had below average games, he has not been a below average QB. I agree the goal is to build a contender and given they have defeated the Rams, the Packers, the Cowboys and a shoot-out with Atlanta, that's what I see. I'm not sure why you can't.

I would hate to know I dislike a QB so much that I couldn't win enjoy a 9 win season - especially given how long it's been since they have had a winning season.

Really. In what way?

Wow..Carolina Panthers forum - that's ancient.

I think because they came from different eras, at least for me, I just never thought about it. As people talk about him ( the glove ), I do vaguely remember him now. But it's very vague. Guess he just didnt't make an impression on my other than the gloves.

To be honest I didn't post the video to support Young - he didn't need that for this week lol. They have an older video on Sanders in Cleveland that is pretty good. It really gives you an idea of what goes through a QB's head during the play. And I think they are pretty honest with what he did right as well as wrong.

LOL no I have watched the Panthers since their inception BUT I took a job up North for a couple of years so did miss a couple of seasons. It must have been around then.

First I didn't know they had a youtube channel; second I do not remember David playing for the Panthers but apparently he did; third, I didn't know Derek had a brother that also played in the NFL and finally fourth, it's a short video and there's realy nothing new here but it's great listening to them dissect plays from a QB perspective - especially if you look at some of the other videos. Anyway, it's only a little over 13 minutes and defintely worth the watch.

Agreed the odds are stacked against us and I doubt we win it but you never know. I just know it's nice to be able to even have this conversation again.

For me it's all about playing the team that raped us for BY. I just want to play and beat them - if nothing else than to justify everything we gave up. In a way, that would help justify the trade in my mind.

I thought the Panthers game was just a fluked as the two previous games didn't go that well for him but like you pointed out, he has played well since then so they may have lucked into something. Of course once teams have some tape on him things may change but regardless, he has looked good. It will be our luck that he plays against us like Bryce plays against the Falcons lol

Well if you take out the Panthers game it's more like 64% comp, .75 TD's per game and 1 INT per game. He made the Panthers' D look terrible. However, I do think he is much better than anyone expected and I agree that you build the team.

So if the stars all line up and the Panthers somehow win the division and the Bears win out BUT lose to the Packers twice, then we would be the #4 team in the playoffs and would face the Bears here at home. The odds are long it would happen but I would love to see that game.

I like ETN - a lot! Not sure he is as good as Rico right now but though

Again, no one cares about 2023 If they did, everyone would want Kirk Cousins. As far as he being slightly below average with bad throw, he is. Young's at 17.5% and the average is 16.3%. When you do the math that comes out to be 4 bad throws over 13 games. Statistically insignificant. Certainly not worth trashing a guy over. And it seems to me it is you trying to use Trevor to make Young look worse. After all, you are the one who claimed Trevor was above average and claimed his struggles this year are from "The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year." I'm just responding to your claims.

I knew he was with the Vikings in PS but didn't realize they had kept him and then traded him. Also, as to why he might not be playing: "Increasingly well traveled, Howell sat out Minnesota's preseason finale. He ended August with 118 passing yards and an interception on 12-of-18 passing in the preseason. However, his last appearance in purple was a disaster in which he completed one of his five pass attempts for 13 yards and the aforementioned pick."

I think just the fact that he is not with ANY team this year says a lot. I mean there are some desperate teams out there and no one has brought him in. So yeah, I think you are right about there being something more to the story.

You are right about him having a huge arm.