cranky

You didn't say 7, you said 9. I just repeated ytour words. Bryce has had below average games, he has not been a below average QB. I agree the goal is to build a contender and given they have defeated the Rams, the Packers, the Cowboys and a shoot-out with Atlanta, that's what I see. I'm not sure why you can't.

I would hate to know I dislike a QB so much that I couldn't win enjoy a 9 win season - especially given how long it's been since they have had a winning season.

Really. In what way?

Wow..Carolina Panthers forum - that's ancient.

I think because they came from different eras, at least for me, I just never thought about it. As people talk about him ( the glove ), I do vaguely remember him now. But it's very vague. Guess he just didnt't make an impression on my other than the gloves.

To be honest I didn't post the video to support Young - he didn't need that for this week lol. They have an older video on Sanders in Cleveland that is pretty good. It really gives you an idea of what goes through a QB's head during the play. And I think they are pretty honest with what he did right as well as wrong.

LOL no I have watched the Panthers since their inception BUT I took a job up North for a couple of years so did miss a couple of seasons. It must have been around then.

First I didn't know they had a youtube channel; second I do not remember David playing for the Panthers but apparently he did; third, I didn't know Derek had a brother that also played in the NFL and finally fourth, it's a short video and there's realy nothing new here but it's great listening to them dissect plays from a QB perspective - especially if you look at some of the other videos. Anyway, it's only a little over 13 minutes and defintely worth the watch.

Agreed the odds are stacked against us and I doubt we win it but you never know. I just know it's nice to be able to even have this conversation again.

For me it's all about playing the team that raped us for BY. I just want to play and beat them - if nothing else than to justify everything we gave up. In a way, that would help justify the trade in my mind.

I thought the Panthers game was just a fluked as the two previous games didn't go that well for him but like you pointed out, he has played well since then so they may have lucked into something. Of course once teams have some tape on him things may change but regardless, he has looked good. It will be our luck that he plays against us like Bryce plays against the Falcons lol

Well if you take out the Panthers game it's more like 64% comp, .75 TD's per game and 1 INT per game. He made the Panthers' D look terrible. However, I do think he is much better than anyone expected and I agree that you build the team.

So if the stars all line up and the Panthers somehow win the division and the Bears win out BUT lose to the Packers twice, then we would be the #4 team in the playoffs and would face the Bears here at home. The odds are long it would happen but I would love to see that game.

I like ETN - a lot! Not sure he is as good as Rico right now but though

Again, no one cares about 2023 If they did, everyone would want Kirk Cousins. As far as he being slightly below average with bad throw, he is. Young's at 17.5% and the average is 16.3%. When you do the math that comes out to be 4 bad throws over 13 games. Statistically insignificant. Certainly not worth trashing a guy over. And it seems to me it is you trying to use Trevor to make Young look worse. After all, you are the one who claimed Trevor was above average and claimed his struggles this year are from "The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year." I'm just responding to your claims.

I knew he was with the Vikings in PS but didn't realize they had kept him and then traded him. Also, as to why he might not be playing: "Increasingly well traveled, Howell sat out Minnesota's preseason finale. He ended August with 118 passing yards and an interception on 12-of-18 passing in the preseason. However, his last appearance in purple was a disaster in which he completed one of his five pass attempts for 13 yards and the aforementioned pick."

I think just the fact that he is not with ANY team this year says a lot. I mean there are some desperate teams out there and no one has brought him in. So yeah, I think you are right about there being something more to the story.

You are right about him having a huge arm.

Where are you getting your numbers? According to pro-football-reference, Youngs bad throws number is 17.5%. Caleb Williams for comparison is at 22.5% and Stroud is at 16.3%. So pretty much the same as Stroud and considerably better than Williams. As far as Lawrence goes, yes he is better at 15.6% but last year he was at 17.5% and the year before that he was at 18.8%. The same or worse than the "top in bad throws" Bryce. Given all of that, how can you claim Bryce is at the top and Trevor is below average. And I must say I find it ironic that I can comment on Bryces' lack of receiver talent in 24 and 23 and you say I am just using that as an excuse, yet you excuse Trevors' play with "The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year." So which is it - does the talent surrounding a QB matter or not?

I think it's because in the last half of that season (9 games) he had a total of 8 TD's to 13 INT's.

I don't know what you are talking about. All I am comparing are 2024 numbers to 2025 numbers straight from the sheet. Every stat, every game. I am not being selective. You posted a select group of stats from 2024 vs 2025. I posted the full stats from 2024 vs 2025. Personally I could care less about 2023 at this point. Kirk Cousins had a fanatastic year in 2023 but would you want him today - no you wouldn't. Rating a QB today based upon his performance from almost three years ago is foolish.

Nothing lol. Sorry I stepped away and responded to the wrong post.

And yet his numbers are better than Lawrences' and you stated you would trade for Lawrence and his 50M contract. Why?

I understand having a plan B. I just don't think they are actively looking for his replacement at this time.

I don't know. I think Coen has done a pretty good job down there.