TheMostInterestingMan

Someone on here thinks he's elite? Holy poo.

Well you are more in the know of these sorts of things then I am. That said, I don’t think he’s had a 3 TD game in over two years so the idea he’s winning games is hard for me to imagine. Im not disagreeing with you. If we fall out of he top 5 I would be strongly considering Carr. But a guy that rarely even has 2 TD games doesn’t strike me as someone that is just going out winning games for his team.

To be honest, I think he would be winning a lot of games on this current flavor of the Panthers. A strong defense and a strong running game. He rarely wins games for the Raiders and hes certainly not sexy. But he also very rarely loses them games. I think we take the division half asleep with Carr on this roster. That said, I would certainly prefer draft one of the top prospects. But if we win too many games to push ourselves out of that conversation then Carr I would be very interested in. I tend to agree that I don't want another retread but Carr is different to me than the other recent attempts.

I can’t imagine that’s a real quote

And even then there’s no telling really. I think we all thought Lawrence would be an absolute home run and he’s been extremely average so far. Not to say he won’t become elite but the trajectory doesn’t put him there currently. It’s just simply the hardest position to assess.

I’ll be honest, I love Burns and he’s quite possibly my favorite Panther over the last 3 years. That said, I was fully on board for trading him for two 1sts. That’s before I was even aware there was a 2nd involved. I’m still hesitant to call him overreacted. I think it’s more accurate to say he’s a star player playing in the wrong system. Our defense doesn’t utilize him properly, but he’s still a damn good player for us. In a 3-4 I do believe he would be a superstar and the fact a team offered us two 1sts and a 2nd confirms that in my mind. They don’t think he’s overrated either clearly, so it’s not just our fan base. But we are in a rebuild he doesn’t exactly fit our system like a glove. We should have jumped all over that trade in a second.

I don’t even know if he’s really overrated, it’s just that turning down two 1sts and a 2nd for him seems to be an obviously bad decision

I’m not sure what your problem with me is, but it’s pretty bizarre. And I can assure you that I know I’m not the most knowledgeable person on this board. As for most interesting? Your immature responses tells me you are too young to even know what my name is referencing. Cheers.

I’m not going to scroll back through 40 pages to show you that this is factually wrong. So I’ll just leave it here. But you are factually wrong lol

Champ I’m talking about fans on this board saying we should trade Burns because the future 1sts are equivalent to a mid round pick. Get a clue.

There are always holes you can fill and also having draft capital gives you cap flexibility. I’m done discussing this. Arguing future 1sts are = current 3rds is nonsense. There’s no way around it haha

I agree with you there haha. But in this context it seems to me that perception does matter. Because the value of a 1st round pick is a 1st round pick. But if it’s perceived by GMs to only be worth a 3rd this year, then they are devaluing the future 1st. But when 2025 rolls around, they will value you at as a 1st. Does this make much sense? Not really. I understand they want to keep their jobs and this having more ammo in current drafts is valuable. But big picture a 1st rounder is always significantly more valuable than a 3rd. So their perception in allocating artificial values to future picks means everything.

Gotta disagree here. He does have a valid point. If it’s perceived that a 1st in 2025 is only worth a 3rd now, it does gain perceived value with each passing month.

Of course not and I wasn’t calling you stupid. I’m sorry if you misunderstood me for saying that. But some are saying that we shouldn’t trade Burns for two future 1sts because they are worth mid rounders. And THAT is what’s stupid.

No. This is stupid lmao. If em this were true, we would trade our 3rd for a future 1st two years from now every single year and in two years become the greatest dynasty in NFL history because we would have two 1st round picks every single season. You see how illogical this is? Lol

Yes but why would we as fans value them differently? Cause there are fans on this board making that argument. And that is stupid.

I’m with you completely on the picks and I’m definitely in the camp of trading Burns for two 1sts. And I love Burns, but I don’t even see him as our most important defensive player of defense. For me, Derrick Browns development this year along with an elite Jaycee when he’s healthy and Chinn back in the role that nearly made him rookie of the year are arguably all bigger components. Burns is great at what he does. But with where our team is currently at, this trade feels obvious.

The whole “a 1st in two years is worth a 3rd this year” is the absolute dumbest way to value picks ever. I hate it and it’s absolutely illogical. I know teams use this scale but it makes no sense. Cause come 2025 that logic goes completely out the window and suddenly that pick is worth multiple future 1sts.

I dunno. I think you are giving us too much credit atm. People are really overrating PJ around here right now. I like him and am very happy for him but he’s nowhere near the QB Goff or Pickett are. And teams are still adjusting to game planning for PJ at QB and a power runner inserted into the offense in Foreman. A healthy Lions I see finishing ahead. They are amongst the highest scoring teams in the entire league, they just can’t get stops. And they’ve been doing that without their two best offensive weapons for half the year. At some point their defense will get a turnover or two to swing a couple of games in their favor. The only team I think that is truly worse than us are the Texans.

I don’t see us finishing worse than the Texans but I do think we could finish worse than the Lions. They are somewhat unlucky to not have more wins right now and they are really scoring a ton of points. They get a healthy Swift back and St Brown at 100% and they’ll win more than us in the end imo. I think we end up picking #2 when it’s all said and done.

Khalil Herbert already looks miles better than Montgomery. Can’t imagine they’ll feel the need to give Montgomery very much at all.

We had our franchise QB the whole time and traded him lol

Taking a kicker a #2 overall

I don't think I have ever heard this... but if its been said, I could have told them that was stupid long before today lol

I just don’t think we understand the words coming out of your mouth lol