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@TLGPanthersFan FWIW I referred to Bryce as high pedigree, not Reich. But it is usually a package deal: when you bring in a coach and draft a 1st round QB, they get a chance to succeed or fail together unless things get unbelievably bad. With no first until 2025, there's really no downside to keeping Reich IMO. If he really is that bad (and/or if Bryce flops), you net a top 3 2025 pick and either reset the QB/coach situation or get Bryce a better coach and quality help if you still feel he's the guy.

Meh, you don't bring in a rookie QB and a new coach to dump them after a year, as bad as those outcomes would be. Chances are they get lucky a few times, bank a 4-13, and they give Reich/Young one more year to grow. If MR TEPPER is as enamored with Young as everyone claims he is, he can then dump Reich and give Bryce one or two more years with a new coach and some more talent around him. It's just so rare to see a HC with a high-pedigree rookie QB dumped that fast.

This fanbase massively overrates Chinn. Not sure Jeudy is the answer to the WR problems but he's probably more useful than Chinn. Would rather take a pick though, even if it's day 3.

Reich is getting at least two years (as is Bryce.) Fitt is getting at least the vast majority of this season; if they are 1-14/0-15 and still look like a tire fire, he will be the sacrificial lamb around the holidays to let them get a jump on finding a replacement. Don't think that changes much in the big picture, though. My preference at this point would be to give everyone a shot through 2024. This season is washed and there is no pick waiting at the end of the shid rainbow. Trade Burns if you can get a first this year, tag him if you can't, or maybe his inconsistency lets you sign him to a reasonable deal at $20-$22 AAV. Make moves on the margins in the offseason, hit on the very high R2 pick or trade back to restock a bit, see how next season goes, and if it's still crud, clean house when you have a top 5 pick (new GM, HC, and QB in alignment instead of constantly playing musical chairs with the most important jobs in the franchise.) Stop trying to microwave a fix (i.e. acquiring Teddy/Darnold/Baker, firing Rhule midseason instead of leaning into the tank, the trade for 01.01, etc.) and have some patience.

Laughter gives you a reason to hope, tears give you a reason to fight. -Confucius

I'm skeptical and always preferred Stroud as a prospect but I'm still hoping I am wrong. TBH it doesn't really matter what any of us think, he and Reich are both getting a bare minimum of two years to work it out since we don't have our first next year. Fitty's head will roll first, probably before new year's. "Worst case scenario" is suffering through two years of what we've seen through five games and getting another bite at the apple in 2025 with a top 3 pick and a new FO/coach combo.

Nobody said it aloud but all of their offseason actions telegraphed it pretty clearly. Came within one Mike Evans stomping of winning the league's worst division last year and none of the other teams made any moves to get demonstrably better this offseason Hired a HC with experience who had a rep as a QB development guru Hired coordinators with high pedigree around the league who could easily roll to a HC job of their own in a year or two Spent on RB (the most fungible position in the league) in FA but didn't make any other notable moves Most notably, traded a fug ton of resources to move up and draft the QB who was considered the most "pro ready," "best processor," "point guard," insert your superlative of choice here -- which leads logical people to think that the FO saw him as a higher floor than Darnold/PJ to go after a bad division again The FO thought Bryce would be good enough to steal a bad division while also developing into a franchise cornerstone. Sadly, he is not as good as advertised (not yet, anyway), the coaching staff has not done a very good job so far, and the rest of the depth chart has regressed or gotten hurt. So here we are.

He was shadowing Thomas, who was standing still, so "best case" scenario was an incompletion or a four yard loss. Bryce himself said he should've turfed it. For sure an athletic play to come away with the pick but Hutch read the screen from the jump, so Bryce needs to eat the down and get out without a loss or a bad turnover deep in his own territory. If a guy's elite skill is field awareness/processing, throwing picks on screens makes me question that assessment.

Wonder how long the tail is gonna be on "it's only been XX games, I'm not giving up hope yet!" The Hutchinson pick is an inexcusable mistake for a guy who's defining feature was supposedly elite processing. Bryce was able to fulfill the "point guard" role on Bama teams with stacked o-lines and very good skill position depth charts. Now that he's expected to elevate the worst roster in the league, we're seeing all of his limitations. 1.1 should be used on a guy who can raise the game of the whole offense, not a guy who needs a perfect situation (clean pocket, dominant run game/defense, two stud receivers, whatever) to win. Add in the fact that they traded another first/second/solid receiver to pick him and that's how you wind up in this situation. I'm not giving him any credit for "stepping it up" against prevent in a couple fourth quarters. Can't help but feel that if they kept Wilks, they'd at least put Bryce in a slightly better position by emphasizing the run/PA, but he doesn't look super comfortable under center anyway, so maybe it would still be a disaster. Maybe Stroud would look equally as inept under this staff if they drafted him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What does 2020 draft status have to do with player performance in the year of our lord 2023? Would you ship a first to the Giants for Isaiah Simmons? i.e., jack of all trades and a master of none If he's not getting paid, doesn't this indicate that he's poo? Thought about it. Conditional sixth seems about right for the high end of any comp you'd get for him. If you called any GM in the league and asked for even a fourth, you'd get a swift hang up or a cacophony of laughter.

Lol. Seeing as you're the guy tossing out cockamamie ideas like Burns for Chase, I'm sure you think he's worth more.

This team needs to trade players for picks, not draft capital for players. Trade Burns and pray you net a mid-round first from a mediocre club, trade Chinn for a conditional sixth, trade any other vets that aren't nailed down.

100% agree and actually mentioned his name in another thread yesterday. Grab him in the third round if he's there.