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myrtle beach eagles fan? shockerrrrrrrrr
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Along the Sidelines - Panthers at Seahawks
PhillyB replied to Jeremy Igo's topic in Carolina Panthers
this is phenomenal, probably my favorite collection so far. i would love a chance to win one of those olsen shots... absolutely iconic -
Josh Norman talks Panthers, Falcons, more...
PhillyB replied to Jeremy Igo's topic in Carolina Panthers
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the one thing you've posted in this entire exchange that matters is that coverages can be a combination of both man and zone coverage, so they're not mutually exclusive. but i never suggested anything to the contrary. whether the linebackers are in zone or man isn't as relevant as what the corners are doing, and a safety dropping into the box can also indicate a cover one, which is a combination of man and zone, with the corners and box safety playing man and a deep safety and the linebackers playing in zones. here is a source on how safeties can be used to disguise cover three as a cover one: http://www.catscratchreader.com/2012/8/11/3234761/how-to-read-coverages-pre-snap-and-post-snap here is a source on diagnostics of cover one. here is a good introductory article on cover three for dumbasses. by reading it, you will learn that cover three zones are often diagnosed by the presence of a high free safety and a strong safety closer to the line of scrimmage. dropping the free safety into the box is not a feature of the cover three, or any zone defense, but it is definitely a hallmark of the cover one, which is primarily man-to-man. here's another nice source that breaks down coverage disguises using safety position near the LOS to make a cover three look like man coverage, and the schematic breakdowns pre-snap and post-snap are identical to the one run on the play in question. additionally, here is a source on how dropping a safety in the box can be read as a blitz with an OLB dropping into coverage (basically a cover one safety blitz) and while the play call is actually a cover two or cover three, telegraphed at the last second by the safety's retreat. here's another one just for the hell of it. now stop posting.
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once again, i said that six hours ago, well before you started shitposting in this thread i am not crediting coleman for the interception, i'm crediting coleman's versatility for better selling the coverage disguise, which helps lead into coverage misreads, which result in interceptions, like the play highlighted in the original post. i can't possibly be more clear about this, and you couldn't possibly be more inept at reading words and meaning. quit posting unless you have something useful to say
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why would i attack the crux of your argument? i stated your argument six hours before you came into this thread, once here and once here. you flew in dick a-flappin' ready to say something new and profound and never thought to see if you were misunderstanding the argument being made in the first place (you were, and are.) you can paypal me your apology
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damn. how'd you end up doing so much of africa? just personal interest or what? i'll be taking my 3-year-old, so i'll have to exercise a lot more caution than i ordinarily would and limit myself activity-wise, but it'll still be fun. south africa and tanzania are going to be the big spots, hopefully with lots of time in zanzibar. depending on scheduling i'd like to squeeze in either namibia/botswana or zimbabwe/zambia. i'm leaning towards the latter since victoria falls has always been high on my list and i could hit the zambezi as well. namibia would be best served for its own trip anyway. i have some awesome poo planned for those desertscapes.
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what exactly are you arguing against here? your entire first paragraph contradicts nothing i've said (except for the last part, which is wrong because the RB leaks upfield as a dump-off in the zone occupied by thomas davis.) coleman's movement to the line is a common tactic for strong safeties, but not as common for free safeties, and when a free safety does it it usually signals man coverage. coleman doing it disguised the coverage, and the reason coleman was able to do it is because he's a versatile enough safety to play the pass and the run effectively and not give away the feint. that's my entire argument and i'm not sure how you're missing it by such a wide margin.
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usually free safeties do not cover running backs and leave the strong safety high. a versatile free safety dropping down there signals the strong possibility that he's covering the back, which he's capable of, while also maintaining the ability to drop back. harper might not be as good at this because his recovery speed is a little slower. tre boston isn't good enough against the run to sell it convincingly. coleman is good at both, and that's why he's being put down there. if you re-read the original post you'll see i already outlined the scheme as a cover three that winston - if he did recognize zone coverage - probably thought was deep quarters. instead norman squatted in the zone and jumped the out route to the TE. coleman is by no means they key to this play, but how he's utilized in this play is a nice example of how disguising coverage can lead to increased effectiveness of play calls, and kurt coleman's versatility allows him to be utilized effectively in disguises.
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take the diagnosis with a grain of salt - it's almost impossible to know for absolute certainty exactly what the defensive playcall was, and what winston actually read. but if you watch the film he looks to the right the instant the ball is snapped, which leads me to believe his primary receiver was jackson and he was watching to see which of the three receivers clustered on that wing would break open. if he did see coleman telegraph backwards before the snap (and he may have) he may have recognized it as zone coverage in that instant, but mistakenly assumed the DBs were playing deep quarters and not a cover 3, which looks to be the call based on harper's position. either way he fuged up and making the quarterback do offensive calculus in split seconds is a great quality for a defense to have.
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after the eagles cut him he turned down a job with the vikings to go play for andy reid in kansas city, but it didn't pan out. the redskins dropped him in final cuts and it looked like he was going to be out of the league before we offered him a contract. once again gettleman's ability to recognize talent and match it to scheme in free agency has been a huge part of the team's success.
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coleman didn't do anything on that specific play; it's a tribute to his flexibility that he can be used to disguise coverages, which invariably lead to opportunities for other players. norman's reaction time on that break is absolutely ridiculous and there's no way anyone else on this team makes that play.
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the only steelers game i've watched was the ravens one last week and he didn't look too bad, but i've heard he's getting exposed in coverage on a regular basis. which shouldn't be a surprise. like chris harris seven years back, what he brings to the defense is stout run support and galvanizing attitude. he's weak against the pass. hell, he was a fingertip away from allowing a game-winning mike wallace touchdown against the dolphins in 2013, which would've changed the complexion of the entire season (and our memories of him.)