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"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
Not just my rating, this is from nfl executives. he's a Top 10 edge rusher and one of the best young players in the NFL. He ranked top 25 of young defensive players and I've already linked multiple articles in this thread showing this. -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
Didn't say that, said that's how the valuation works out and give proof of said valuation. -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
It's not just about sacks. He's 4th in pressures since drafted. He's 12 in defensive stops this season. Top ten in sacks as well to be a kicker. He's a top ten dline player. Yeeesh -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
If your talking normal trading it's because of what I mentioned earlier. A future pick's point slot isn't guaranteed, it's 1-32 possibilities. A player to player trade or a trade within the same draft has a defined value. -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
I get the value of the trade in a rebuild but to think 12+ sacks is just replaceable so easy is actually quite crazy. -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
The videos are from draft videos after drafts and not much time to go hunting for them right now. However we can use draft trades from multiple teams last draft. Panthers 137 to 94 (value difference is 86.5 points) 4th round value difference for future 3rd pick. Colts 179 to 96th (value difference is 96.5 points) Top of the 4th round value for future 3rd Vikings 156th to 118 (value difference is 29 points) Late 5th value for future 4th. -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
It's not easy to replace 12 sacks. 8 players have 12 sacks or more this season. -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
I'll look for it tonight or in the morning, been busy at work with a full network refit. -
Jim Harbaugh has convo with David Tepper
carpanfan96 replied to Daeavorn's topic in Carolina Panthers
What else is he going to say? Why yes I've spoken with NFL teams about leaving cause I hate recruiting. Lol -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
There's also an ESPN insider article from Matt Miller This information comes from NFL scouts and GM's. There's other post draft interviews with gms who have said the same things as well. -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
First on players, it depends on where the pick is at in the first. I go off what nfl teams do not fans. Heck there are teams that limit there scouts to 15 players for a first round grade. There's reasoning for this as well. It's legit how the NFL scouting world works, this next draft has 14-17 players that actually legit have a first round grade. It's also not an exact science because scouts miss all the damn time. There's articles on this and interviews with GM's talking about this. -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
Not gonna quote everyone on this but coaches and gms have talked about it. A future first is worth a pick in the middle of its round divided by 2 and that goes down the further out it is. So next year's first from the Rams would have a draft value of a pick in the middle of the 2nd round, the one after that would have a value of a third round pick. That's how draft pick trade valuation works. Every single team uses similar valuation charts -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
It's not bunk, Draft pick trade value goes down by a round if its in a future draft. That's how the valuation is done in the NFL. The Rams who are horrible this year, could theoretically win the superbowl next year and it's first round pick be 32nd. Since most drafts usually only have about 10-15 prospects that teams have a true 1st round grade on, it significantly lowers the value of future picks because of uncertainty. -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
https://www.panthers.com/news/brian-burns-top-10-pass-rusher-espn-poll-2022 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/panthers/.amp/gm-report/nfl-execs-view-brian-burns-as-a-top-10-pass-rusher -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
Over the last four seasons, burns win rate on pash rush is top 15. (you can't get that high of a pass rush win with garbage time stats) 2019 - 4th 2020 - 5th [9th in double team %] 2021 - top 20 2022 - 15th He's also 11th in sacks since 2019 as well. NFL executives have him as a top ten pass rusher in the NFL, the stats show this as well. You absolutely don't trade a top 10 edge rusher for what's essentially 3 2nd round picks. -
"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal
carpanfan96 replied to Ricky Spanish's topic in Carolina Panthers
Most teams don't view future firsts as firsts. Trade chart or value wise was 2 second rounds and a 3rd or 3 seconds. Burns is double teamed a lot and still got 12.5 sacks. It's hard to find that production in the NFL. 8 players in the NFL with 12+ sacks. Most are on stacked dline teams -
Wilks Set This Team Back
carpanfan96 replied to Move the Panthers to Raleigh's topic in Carolina Panthers
That's how you double a wr, safety coverage over the top in cover 2. Which was called on one of the throws. Quarters was the other one that also should've had safety help over the top. Safety blew one of the coverages completely and was late moving on the other. Neither of those two throws would've been completed the way they were if coverage was correct -
That combined with the fact that Wilks did as well as he's done with a fairly bad team, none of his coaches really or his system in place. I'd not be shocked if Wilks gets the job.
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They weren't on an island on one of them for sure and most likely on a second. Safety didn't get over the top like he was supposed to on cover 2 and another one was quarters and the safety was supposed to slide over to help over the top since nothing was going into his zone. I say probably because Brady thew the throw against quarters early which impacted the safety being able to recover
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Wilks Set This Team Back
carpanfan96 replied to Move the Panthers to Raleigh's topic in Carolina Panthers
You'd be wrong about the coverage on at least one of the bombs and most likely a second. Safety messed up his coverage on the one against Taylor but Brady threw it early and made a great throw. -
They are going to interview other coaches but they have to, Wilks will get a serious chance at the job and get interviewed for it. I won't be surprised if he wins the job either.
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5-6 with a team that won 11 out of 38 games... Let's not forget that and if you listen to the post game, at least one of the deep touchdowns was because a safety didn't play the coverage that was called. Let's not talk about Arizona, he didn't get to pick his staff or have input on draft picks or free agency signings.
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One of the plays was on the safety, the cb was supposed to have help over the top and the safety went to the middle instead of over the top like he was supposed to. Can't remember which one of them but you can go back at pre snap and see it's cover 2.
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So How did Norman and Darnold play?
carpanfan96 replied to YourLastThought's topic in Carolina Panthers
Norman barely played at all. Darnold played well, he had some turnovers though. His interception was a good read but a bad throw. The fumble that cost the game was a blindside hit where ickey got made to look like a turnstile and Darnold had no time to throw because of it. He got hit pretty fast on that play.