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Yeah and Rhule/Snow running the hybrid 3-3-5 didn't help because they brought in a mixture to the already split group.
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Problem A) Roster isn't very good. Problem B) Defensive coaching also hasn't been very good. Problem C) We are in a really weird spot where half the defense is more suited for a 4-3 and the other half a 3-4. Changing schemes can sometimes get the best out of players if they are better suited for one, problem is half our guys would be in more of a fit and the others would be out of place.
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This wouldn't fix everything, but would be a step in the right direction. It would still take 1-2 more offseasons to be a real competitor. But this is a 5-7 win roster. Coaches: I would give Canales another season unless he has some Urban Meyer level blunders between now and then. However, I would push for a 4-3 style defense/coordinator change and be very critical of Evero. If Canales truly had confidence in EE, I would support it. However, it would be an opportunity to bring in a guy like Saleh or Leslie Frazier and move back to a 4-3 scheme. The O-line 4/5 starting OL are under contract next season. I would probably let Corbett go into FA just due to recent injuries. I would look for a veteran C to pair with a younger guy in the 2nd or 3rd round. I would also resign Christensen as a depth piece and add another 1-2 depth guys in FA like we did with Nijman this season. QB: I would keep Dalton on another year deal. I would offload Bryce to the highest bidder. I would bring in a younger Veteran QB (Rudolph, Lock, etc) and let Canales work his magic with him. Would also keep Plummer around as a development project. Tight End: I would keep Thomas if I can get a super cheap deal done, just for run blocking purposes. Sanders of course would stay on the roster and I would have him compete with Tremble for the TE2 role, which he would probably win. I would go after one of the top TE Free Agents in the market. WR: I too would try to keep Johnson but wouldn't be afraid to walk away if the price was too ridiculous. Thielen can hang around another season just for his veteran leadership, but I wouldn't be expecting a lot. Considering Johnson stays, I would be looking for a 3-4 round guy, if he leaves I'm looking in the 2-3 round. Either way, I'm still likely bringing in a mid-tier FA from outside. I'll leave Mingo on the roster for an opportunity to improve this season but my patience would be thin. My focus would be on Johnson*, Legette, New FA, Rookie, Coker, with Thielen around. RB. Sanders would be gone, and I would pay for the moving service personally. I'd like to bring Hubbard back to pair with Brooks. I would also target a big back in rounds 4-6 like Braelon Allen this past draft and hope we find the next Rhamondre Stevenson. Defensively: Hopefully Canales agrees that EE isn't the best path for the team, and we bring in a guy like Saleh or Frazier and switch to their 4-3 defense. Defensive Line: I'm using our 1st round pick for DL help. Somebody like Mason Graham, James Pearce, or Mykel Williams. If I can get one of them and still trade back I would. For this exercise, I'll say that we drafted Mykel Williams, and I would stick him in the WDE role, keep Derrick Brown in the center of the line with Robinson. Some of our Edge rushers can convert to 4-3 DEs. Wonnum and Clowney would fit fine in the 4-3 SDE role to play. I would still bring in more DT depth, and DE depth from mid-to lower tier guys in FA. LB: I would offer Shaq a cheap deal, and I mean CHEAP. He would have the opportunity to hang around, but more as depth/rotational piece. I would invest heavily in Trevin Wallace and try to bring him into WLB role. Jewell is under contract, so I would try to push him into the SLB role. I would try to target one of the top MLBs on the market (along with TE). CB: Horn and Dane Jackson are returning. I would try to get Mike Jackson back as well. Smith-Wade is still on a rookie deal, but I would probably draft some Day 3 help and get another veteran FA in the mix. Safety I would keep Woods/Franklin for the SS role. Robinson can kick rocks. I would be open to Fuller returning on the right deal, but wouldn't be opposed to bringing in another 1 year rental for FS. Nick Scott is G-O-N-E. 2024 Trade Deadline. I wouldn't exercise the trade deadline this season. 2025 offseason: FA Additions (Realistic with Cap) Drew Lock QB John Cominsky DE Tyler Conklin TE Chris Godwin WR Connor Williams C Jedrick Wills T Greg Gaines, DT Andre Cisco S Jerome Baker LB Rasul Douglas CB Garrett Wallow LB Chazz Surratt LB 2025 Draft: Something like this (First 5 Rounds): 1st Round- Mykel Williams, DE Georgia 2nd Round- Xavier Restrepo, WR Miami 3rd Round- Parker Brailsford, C Alabama 4th Round-Dorian Strong, CB Virginia Tech 5th Round-Kalel Mullings, RB Michigan 5th Round-Deontae Lawson, LB Alabama OUTLOOK: QB: Andy Dalton, Drew Lock, Jack Plummer RB: Chuba Hubbard, Jonathan Brooks, Kalel Mullings* WR: Diontae Johnson, Chris Godwin, Jalen Coker WR: Xavier Legette, Adam Thielen, Xavier Restrepo* TE: Tyler Conklin, JT Sanders, Ian Thomas LT: Ikem Ekwonu, Jedrick Wills LG: Damien Lewis, Chandler Zavala C Connor Williams RG: Robert Hunt, Parker Brailsford* (C) RT: Taylor Moton, Brady Christensen DE: Mykel Williams*, DJ Wonnum, Amare Barno DT: Derrick Brown, Jaden Crumedy DT: Greg Gaines, A’Shawn Robinson DE: Jadaveon Clowney, John Cominsky WLB: Jerome Baker, Chazz Surratt MLB: Trevin Wallace, Deonte Lawson*, Jackson Mitchell SLB: Josey Jewell, Garrett Wallow CB: Jaycee Horn, Dane Jackson, Chau Smith-Wade CB: Mike Jackson, Rasul Douglas, Dorian Strong* SS: Xavier Woods, Sam Franklin FS: Jordan Fuller, Andre Cisco P: Johnny Hekker K: Eddie Piniero LS: JJ Jansen
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We still have one open spot after Lawson signing. Not sure where that goes, maybe DL.
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BREAKING: Panthers signing big time pass rusher
ProcessBlue2 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
He is more of a 4-3 DE but anything helps. He and Marquis Haynes are immediate upgrades over DJ Johnson and Incoom. Must not be looking good for Clowney, Barno, and Wonnum. -
Panthers Tankathon (Week 6 Edition)
ProcessBlue2 replied to Leeroy Jenkins Ph.D.'s topic in Carolina Panthers
Well we’re going to lose this week. I don’t think it will be a Chicago/New Orleans type loss. I think Atlanta will score whatever they need to and then go on their way to keep everyone healthy for next week. -
What were your expectations for this season?
ProcessBlue2 replied to Mr. Scot's topic in Carolina Panthers
I actually felt better about Morgan than Canales. I didn’t like the fact that Morgan was essentially a part of Fitterers group, but I was willing to give him a chance because of his past here. Would still be willing to give him another season or two to clean this mess up. The DC hire to me was strange, very skeptical at first because he came out of nowhere and reminded me of the Nathaniel Hackett hire. I do feel somewhat better about DC now. -
What were your expectations for this season?
ProcessBlue2 replied to Mr. Scot's topic in Carolina Panthers
Worse. I had us being somewhere between 2-15 and 6-11. I guess we could finish somewhere towards the bottom of that range but I don’t see another winnable game on the schedule unless our defense gets massively better in a short amount of time. -
FYI, Eagles just released Devin White who was in Tampa at the same time as Canales last year. Not what used to be but an upgrade over Clausen Cheerelus beside Trevin Wallace
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Well the personnel is definitely a factor, but he was given a lot of "his guys" that he has coached before that are familiar with the scheme. Nick Scott Troy Hill Jordan Fuller Deshawn Williams A'Shawn Robinson Dane Jackson DJ Johnson (it's on video of him celebrating when they drafted him, because HE wanted him)
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He's doing better when we run the ball more. He looked much better under Wilkes his rookie year because we were running the ball and he was getting leverage on the play action. He looked terrible last year because we were dropping back out of the gun 35 times per game and he's not built for that. He's a solid guard in a pass heavy/spread scheme, and a solid tackle in a running/play action team.
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Okay let's say he was. It doesn't make the situation any better.
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I'm just saying, he was supposed to be this guy that could make up for talent with his scheming and it's not happening. Sam Darnold carved him up when he was Denver's DC in 2022 and then Payton didn't bring him back. Look at Denver's defense this year and look at ours. And FYI Derrick Brown was active for the Saints game that allowed 47 points. Luvu, maybe? but Burns/Chinn aren't hitting on much this year.
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I could be wrong, but if I remember during his press conferences they asked before Evero was hired and he said something like "We don't know type of Defensive yet, I'm leaning towards a 3-4 but we'll see." It could have been the front office too, because there was a lot of hype about trying to put Burns in a 3-4 so he could "dominate" which really just exposed him more than anything.
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I wouldn't be shocked with Evero getting the boot at the end of the year. Some of it was his fault, some wasn't. However, in the big picture the little bit of defensive success last year was with what Snow built. The defense last year if I recall was ranked "2nd" but only in yards and was pretty horrendous everywhere else. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Panthers in a 4-3 scheme next year. Morgan played in a 4-3 and both front offices he was in (Buffalo/Seattle) were 4-3. Just about everywhere Canales has been also had a 4-3 defense. Rhule ran a 3-3-5 with snow that gave a bunch of different looks, Reich was the one that wanted the 3-4 and it lined up with Evero being available. Our defense is made up of short contracts and is mixed with 3-4 and 4-3 personnel, end of season would be ideal to switch. Plus, I'd love to see Trevin Wallace play WLB like Davis used to.
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I had our ceiling at 6-10 and floor at 2-14. After the Raiders game, I thought we were trending closer to the ceiling but appears we may miss 2-14 because the only other winnable game on the roster is the Giants and they just won in Seattle this week.
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Top 3 pick incoming. Brace yourselves for another top talent miss.
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We have been at the top since we hired Rhule's Strength and Conditioning coach in 2020 who is still there.
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Okay 2 concussions 2 hurt before joining the team. What about the other 14?
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Travis Hunter hype thread
ProcessBlue2 replied to Sean Payton's Vicodin's topic in Carolina Panthers
I would thoroughly enjoy drafting Mason Graham and putting him with A'Shawn Robinson and Derrick Brown as a start to stop this horrible run D. -
The UDFA Rookie Back-Up center is in concussion protocol, I believe. Would mean Christensen takes the snaps, but he may have to fill in for Moton who is also injured. Possibly put Nijman at RT and continue with Christensen at C.
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Here is just to get an idea of where we stand; if anyone knows more please update. Shaq Thompson: ILB - Season Derrick Brown: DL-Season Sam Franklin: S- Season Adam Thielen: WR- X amount of weeks Josey Jewell: ILB- X amount of weeks Ian Thomas: TE- Possibly returning this week Dane Jackson: CB- Possibly returning this week Andrew Raym: C- Out last week due to concussion Jaden Crumedy: DL- X amount of weeks (possibly soon?) Jordan Fuller: S -X amount of weeks Jonathan Brooks: RB - Will return possibly this season? Amare Barno: Edge- Will return possibly this season? DJ Wommun: Edge- Will return possibly this season? Austin Corbett: C- Getting imaging done today Taylor Moton: T- Getting imaging done today Xavier Legette: WR- Getting imaging done today Tommy Tremble: TE- Left game early due to suspected concussion Jadaveon Clowney: Edge: Left game early due to injury Why is this Strength/Conditioning Coach and Training Staff still employed?
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Scouting Department vs. Front Office
ProcessBlue2 replied to kungfoodude's topic in Carolina Panthers
In years past, our pro scouts always missed on Free Agents. I think the pro scouts are more effective now, we have had some FA hits the last few years but our rookie scouts seem to miss quite often. How much of that is the executive decision by the front office? Idk. I'm not a Tepper apologist but even IF he is the guy pulling the trigger in the draft, you have to wonder who is giving him the scouting reports. To be fair, our scouting dept was going downhill before Tepper too. -
He's the only one that has speed as a factor. The rest are bull rush type guys.