MHS831

I could take on a few--and Cecil has a camper--and there are sheltered picnic areas at Freedom Park with perma grills....

I thought you were just joking and I was playing along. Now I see your point.

This is getting ridiculous. Second contract starters are getting 25% of the team's cap. They are actually hurting their teams to get rich--

Not exactly your point because your point was incorrect. Lovin me some draft day

Since the jury is still out on Fields, soak this in--the OHIO STATE NFL QBs: 220 Interceptions vs. 184 TDs. 79-89-1

Good point--I would think that we could find as many undrafted free agents as we could players on that list. Here are a few more that come to mind: Fred Lane Nick Goins Brad Hoover Myles Hartfield Sam Franklin

Was that pick not #33? I think it was.

This is not correct on both counts. No problem though, I see your overall point. He did have 2 good years.

Was that the same draft he had his wife pick a player, so she went with Chuba Hubbard because he ran all over them when he was at Baylor? But yes, Rhule drafted a LONG SNAPPER and laughed about it when interviewed because he thought he was cute and clever.

I flat out missed Minter. But the point of this is to demonstrate how unlikely it is that we fill all our remaining needs.

they are in chronological order. Please read the post again.

No you are right--I noticed that too. And we are talking about 27 years of drafting. On that site, I eyeballed the amount of time most picks stayed here--3 years was about average.

Stroud should be fine--but there is risk with all QBs--if I had been scrutinized as much as these 22-year old kids have been I would be falling down and off teams' boards like a bullet train bound for hell.

There you go! Nice thought. Made tonight more interesting! I think Levis is going to Indy at #4 and AR will go to a team like Tennessee, Houston (if they draft an Edge at #2 and move up with the #12 for a QB--something I personally expect them to do), or even Minnesota in a trade up with the Seagulls or Motor City Kitties.

Really--I was like, "Where have I heard that name before?"

I get the feeling that this pick will influence the next pick--makes it more likely that we go OL than if drafted a bigger QB--or we are going Edge because my feeling is totally wrong.

Another thread altogether, but the thought did enter my mind. It would be harder to keep that list under 50.

An oversight on my part....Yep

Five offensive linemen and five defensive linemen. Three "other" positions--1 WR and 2 CBs---all need positions now.

Eliminate the first round in your heads. Do it now! To me, the focus for real Panther fans begins with picks 39, 93, and 114 --that will ultimately determine the quality of his draft. This got me to pondering. As I pondered, I asked myself, "Who are the 13 best Panther VALUE picks ever?" I am excluding first rounders because they should perform at the highest levels. Here is a link for reference: https://www.panthers.com/history/draft It is important to remember that this list comes from 27 years of drafting--185 picks between rounds 2 and 7 over that time, and here are the best values from all those picks (the top 7%). Some were good players, not great, but you must consider the round the player was taken vs. his productivity here in Carolina. I could have added Evan Mathis, for example, but he was not productive until he left Carolina, so he did not make the list. Here is my list of the top 13 Panther values after ROUND 1 (performance considering Round selected is factored into the opinion): 1995 Round 4 (132) C Frank Garcia Washington 1995-2000 1999 Round 2 (38) DE Mike Rucker Nebraska 1999-2007 2001 Round 2 (44) DT Kris Jenkins Maryland 2001-07 2001 Round 3 (74) WR Steve Smith Utah 2001-13 2004 Round 3 (94) T Travelle Wharton South Carolina 2004-11, 2013 2007 Round 2 (59) C Ryan Kalil USC 2007-18 2007 Round 3 (83) DE Charles Johnson Georgia 2007-17 2010 Round 6 (175) DE Greg Hardy Mississippi 2010-14 2012 Round 5 (143) CB Josh Norman Coastal Carolina 2012-2015 2013 Round 2 (44) DT Kawann Short Purdue 2013-20 2014 Round 3 (92) G Trai Turner LSU 2014-19 2016 Round 2 (62) CB James Bradberry Samford 2016-19 2017 Round 2 (64) T Taylor Moton Western Michigan 2017-pres Honorable Mention: Charles Godfrey; Jeremy Chinn (too early to tell) Best value overall: Steve Smith. Runners Up: Greg Hardy, Charles Johnson There could be some argument here, but the round counts--if a player in the second round in one draft was a bit better than a sixth rounder on this list, then which was the best VALUE? Several Key Takeaways: 1. Finding talent on day 2 is harder than it looks in mocks. Most of those players do not pan out. To think we can fill 5 holes on draft day is silly. 2. Bill Polian may have found us a path to the Super Bowl by manipulating the expansion provisions, but he SUCKED in the draft. 3. Marty Hurney was actually good at one time. The 2001 (he was with the organization but not GM until 2002) and 2007 drafts were incredible. 4. Once you look through these drafts and see the elite players that emerged from rounds 2-7, it should give you perspective. So if we had 1 need to fill in this draft, where should it be? Edge? CB? WR? G? I think we'd be lucky to find a QB and fill 2 needs effectively. 5. Check out the 2001 draft--Morgan, Jenkins, Smith---sure does explain the 2003 Super Bowl--the 2007 draft with Beason, Kalil, and Charles Johnson was also strong--If Jarrett became a stud, it would have been the best draft. 6. FIve of the 13 were offensive linemen. Just sayin'.

Every player comes with risk. Bresee has a great story (sister-tragic) but he was injured quite a bit.

It will be interesting to see if he has dropped a few pounds, or maybe they are going to use him on running and short yardage situations. He does seem to be an "odd man out" in many ways. However, maybe he was the "odd man out" before, because he was not very productive, save a few flashes here and there.

Come on, MostInterestingMan--he never said that (because the entire Temple team was on the Panther Roster)

team's what?

He is a sleeper.