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Isn't Coker basically the Thielen replacement? I see him in the slot. We need to find an x and hope we get at least a Z. we can win with a top WR. Most growth happens between years 1 and 2, so with 2 rookies at WR, we stand to improve even if we do nothing--which we won't/

You have done some homework!! Yep--no way Buffalo puts their starters on the field week 18--good point. As much as I hate to say it now, I do not see the Panthers winning another game--but they could upset Dallas here if they play the way they have been

I said the same thing earlier--imagine a rookie going to NE to follow Brady with BB as the head coach--spoiled fans, demanding coach, Brady's long shadow--worst conditions ever for a rookie QB. He is good enough to start in the right situation.

I cannot disagree with this---free agency does not have a lot of #1 WRs and those who will pimp themselves come with a huge price tag. I also think that bringing in another TE who can make plays is something people might be overlooking--but not in rounds 1 or 2. To your point: If you go back to camp, we gave up on TMJ, traded Mingo, lost AT to an injury, lost Johnson due to a permanent head injury (joke)--and we were left with an undrafted rookie, a raw rookie first rounder, and a special team player who has overachieved. We have 3 options--sign a high-priced #1 WR (and not many will covet Carolina); try our best to convert XL to that role and draft a Z WR, or draft either Hunter or McMillan to be the #1 WR, and I am not sure Hunter should be on offense. McMillan is a great red zone WR and runs the complete route tree with precision. He will be a good one. McMillan, XL, AT, Coker and maybe a lower-tier free agent would be impressive, considering only 1 of your WRs is not on a rookie contract-you could argue that McMillan would be effective day 1, when an edge might take a year--spend your money on the edge or DT, not WR. I see that logic. (Burden fans: I like him too, and he can probably do more as a WR than McMillan--sweeps, screens--he can do it all, but I wonder if he is a true #1 or best suited for a slot role? I wish I knew more about him--but if we trade back and grab him, I see the value--he might complement Young more than McMillan--don't know.) A DT like Graham would make our run defense ugly-good, and his pass rushing would make our edge players better. However, there are players later in the draft who would not be as big a drop off. I am not high on the edge players early (Carter is boom or bust to me), but I think round 2 has some players who will be good--but maybe not immediately. Concerning edge: If you wait until round 2, the pick we got from the Rams is about 50. According to Tankathon's big board, that is when you grab your edge--I do not see much difference here between the first rounders and second rounder in terms of production. To me, at edge you need a kid with a nonstop motor, and these guys are high motor players with productivity to match:

Why I think the Jags may not be picking in the top 5: They could run the table--but I do not know how you play these teams without 2-3 wins. If LV wins, it hurts their chances--I think the split with Tennessee, and beat the Jets at home-- Regardless, who knows? Bad teams are unpredictable. I see the first round of the draft going this way: 1. NY Giants (Saints and Colts are winnable games on schedule-but the Giants will be underdogs in both; predicted finish is 2-15) 2. Patriots (not winning another game--they have 4 to play; I am guessing 3-14 and they have a pretty weak SOS) 3.The Browns have 1 winnable game--@ Bengals, and the Cats will be favored. I predict that Winston is going to Winston--final record---3-14. SOS is weaker right now than Vegas 4. Raiders (Saints and Jags on schedule---A win would take Vegas out of the Ward/Sanders race. I think they could win 1; probably finish 3-14 5. Panthers could surprise some folks--here is why: They play Dallas at home and that is a possible win. They end the season at Tampa Bay--and then the last game of the season against the team that may have the division wrapped up---Atlanta. If so, they will play their subs, but it seems Tampa won't go away. Atlanta and Tampa Bay are currently 6-6, but the Falcons will probably lose to Minnesota and Washington, ending 9-8. Tampa has an easier schedule down the stretch, with probable wins against the Raiders, Cowboys, Panthers, and Saints. I think they win 3 or 4 of these, and that would prevent Atlanta from resting starters. Predicted finish: 4-13 because I think the Panthers will win one because they are improving, but Dallas is their best hope for a win (at home). It is possible that they do not win a game, but we are playing too well not to get a W in five chances. 6. NY Jets (Jax only winnable game left, but with Rogers, they could upset someone. probable 4-13) 7. Titans have 3-4 winnable games left on the schedule; expect 2 wins) probably finish 5-12 or so. 8. Jags have nothing but winnable games left--Titans x 2, Jets, Colts, and Raiders-Jax could run the table, but they won't. With Mac Jones, they could actually get a boost. Expect them to finish 5-12. TEAMS with 4 WINS Bengals the are the first 4-win team but they have 3 winnable games--they will finish 6-11 by winning 2 of 3 vs. Cleveland, Dallas, and Tennessee. The Saints (4 wins) have the Giants and Raiders left. They win at least 5, probably finish 6-11 The Bears have 4 wins and with SF, Minn, Seattle, Green Bay, and Detroit left, they may be headed for an 11-game losing streak to end the season. Yikes. Predicted finish, 4-13 THE DRAMA: 1. NY Giants--Ward, QB Miami 2. New England (TRADE with LV Raiders)--Expect the phone to be ringing with Vegas on the line and they will throw a ton at the lucky Pats, making it impossible for them to say "no". The Pats have needs at Edge, WR, OL, and CB--so they will want picks. However, if they trade, they probably lose Travis Hunter, so the price will be steep, and the Raiders will pay it to bring in a brash star to be the QB of the future. 3. Cleveland --With both QBs off the board, the Browns take the best player in the draft, Travis Hunter, CB/WR. 4. New England (from Raiders)--Hard to say, but they will be focused on Edge, CB, WR, and maybe OL. I am guessing they take the position that will be gone by round 2. A. Carter, DE/Edge 5. Carolina: With the top WR in the draft on the board, along with Graham, the top DT, I do not see an edge or WR worth this pick. I think they trade or they take Graham DT or McMillan WR. We need a #1 WR, and we are getting DT Brown back, so the choice is a toss up. If it were me, I would 1) trade back 5-10 spots and get both Edge and WR, 2) Graham, DT (can you imagine how awesome our front would be with Graham and Brown?) 3) McMillan WR. My pick is Graham, DT, Michigan. I think an edge like Boston College's Donovan Ezeirukau (80 tackles, 17 sacks) or a WR I really like--Elic Ayomanor from Stanford. My sleeper pick is Mike Green (edge, Marshall). Since Ayomanor is not a #1, I would take Exeirukau (BC Edge) That is how I see it now--but we should be picking around #5, and we know 3 players that are going off the board 1-3--Hunter, Ward, and Sanders.

Some things are immeasurable, and I get that. I used to break down film as a high school coach, and there was often disagreement. That is what they do--they give you a number to gauge a player's game. Until Billy Bob the Huddle Bitch comes up with a better assessment process, I will use PFF and not listen to the second shift experts who are only members because McDonald's has free internet.

amazing what difference a month makes--well said, FF.

In 2023, Corey Davis "temporarily" retired from the NFL. In March, 2024, he applied for reinstatement and was given his release from the Jets. He is under 30 right now, scored a 31 on the wonderlic (don't know why I added that) and had a few seasons near 1000 yards. He was never considered a #1 WR and commented that he was. Would he entertain the opportunity to mentor some young guys and Thielen and return to the NFL?

This tells me that edge may not be our first round pick--the draft just got more Wide Receiverey--Good thread NAS.

We need a #1--I get that, but in terms of the cap and looking for a bargain, I like to find a gem in the mud instead of paying top jewelry store prices. When I look at the options, one guy who I liked coming out of college and he is a "type" we really don't have, was just traded to the Falcons before the season and blew out his knee in camp. Rondale Moore. He will be 25 and had a 500 yard season at 22. Has not been in great places (Arizona, Atlanta) and he is the type of WR who could make plays--not sure what his recovery situation is. Higgins is my other answer, but he is not a #1 and will want #1 money, imo. Have not really researched it yet, so just speculating.

If I am not mistaken, we took Bryce because we pegged him to be cerebral, like Russell Wilson or Drew Brees. I think his first NFL pass was a pick, and then he started second guessing--which is OK when you have an OL and WRs and can get it done in 2.7 seconds. Lotta folks on here bashing Canales--but Young needed a patient, positive coach. I still hesitate to sing his praises, but the last 5 weeks have been amazing

I think I could like him (as a teammate) in small doses--but he is a unique individual

We do have some Huddlers, however, who are burdened with the pressure of always being right.

Cant cut Linville. Part of a government program for special people. Gets federal funding and all.

I hate to say that I was right about Young, because I wasn't. I stayed loyal through the offseason, but after the second game, I wanted him released or traded for a conditional seventh rounder. If this continues, I will admit that I have no ability to gauge a QBs expectations in the NFL. None.

I don't recall Coker dropping any passes, fwiw--To be honest, XL is a long way from being an Alpha--I don't think he will--body catcher, has poor familiarity with where he is on the field, etc. If the lights all come on at the same time, watch out.

Love him--and in this system, he would be very effective.

In the draft, Bond and Felton are my top 2--I see Burden more of a slot, and I see AT and Coker holding down the slot next year--my sleeper who would be there in round 2? Elic Ayomanor from Stanford. He is smooth and has not been on a good team with a good QB. I am just starting to research WR, so this will change when I get less dumb about them.

Special teams? But we have Hekker and JJ Jansen.

Same thought. I am hoping we can salvage Farley--

I'd run into Vita Vae and change my emotions quickly.

Almost the tortoise and the hare. Wax on, Wax off. Did the humility of getting benched work? I think the light came on and they have limited him to first read, check down. Instead of having him progress through two or more reads. I think he learned to adjust the offense to protect him by motioning TEs or moving RBs. He is getting to the LOS sooner--able to read the defenses and anticipate the blitz--that is the area where he has improved the most--before he was going into the fetal position when he saw a blitz. Now he is navigating the pocket--his movements remind me of Brees or Wilson--and I did not see that before.

I had a run of people who contribute to a discussion board and if your contributions differ from their pearls of wisdom, they attack you personally. I usually try to be a contrarian at times because most people on here enjoy banter and differing opinions--I learn a lot by participating--so maybe I did not read your comment in the spirit in which it was intended. I love Graham--in my view, we have 3 holes to fill that are essential and two (if handled in the draft) necessitate a first round selection (#1 WR, Edge)--but Graham is on another level--a top 10 talent--so not taking him is a compromise--no doubt. If we really like him, maybe we will address the needs before the draft. Have a good day

Brown is a DE. Wonnum is not a DE. Perhaps you should learn the roles and responsibilities--or the nomenclature--of the 3-4 defense before you call others out for expressing omniscient condemnation of a widely held opinion about the needs of the team.

So you are under the impression that your logic is all that matters. Interesting. Learn to consider alternative opinions without taking it personally. You will be much better off and less of a dick.