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Was Warren a mistake?

Walter Nolen: A to Z Sports--"The biggest test for Nolen in Indianapolis is to sell himself as a person to teams. There is some worrisome feedback regarding character for Nolen, which goes back to his high school days, and continued both at Texas A&M and with the [Ole Miss] Rebels. There are even a couple of NFL teams who have already taken Nolen off their boards." His work ethic is also questioned, but I could not find specifics.

Pearce: Per another report from Cory Kinnan, Pearce was "seen as undeniably uncoachable" at Tennessee, where he had "one foot out the door" last season. One NFL scout said that Pearce has "the worst character report of any player in this draft class." A TOTALLY UNBIASED report from a Tennessee Vols website relating to a SI report states the following, based on conversations with GMs: "He doesn't fight with his hands very well right now. You see the build, and the traits, his arm length, but you see him winning with those traits alone." Sources went on to express concern about general run game instincts as well. "He has a hard time right now recognizing pullers, shrinking space and defeating blocks in the run game." There have been rumors relating to character concerns as a potential reasoning, one NFL GM quickly extinguished that. "There are no character concerns that we are aware of. He wants to be great," one NFL GM told Vols on SI exclusively.

I need to do more homework. Was not aware of Pearce and Nolen.

I have not looked into him as much as others. If so, he is likely the pick. Since Graham is probably gone, It could be down to picking SEC players from Charlotte or Salisbury.

no need. trust. This time of year we are like seagulls on the beach diving for every scrap of food we can find.

Yes, he disappointed (based on what I hear). I was expecting the opposite. They still think second round. If I needed a QB this year, it would be Ward or build the OL/offense and take a developmental QB later like Ewers, Howard, etc. Has nobody mentioned that Matt Corral was throwing at the combine? I saw him throwing during the WR portion, I think. (That might piss me off if I was Jaxon Dart and trying to evade that comparison)

Pearce is going to be situational pass rusher as a rookie (with Clowney and Wonnum) and the concerns are based on his ability to hold the edge. Green depends on the interviews and background check.

If they use Walker as a weapon by moving him around effectively, I would love it. If they draft him, I will not be excited until I see Evero's scheme. I will say that I LOVED the kid in the interview.

Interesting. I have heard both are not sold on these qbs--but this time of year, you hear everything. They are both taking a QB, but not sure 100% yet that means at #1 or #2. In the video below, the blonde woman on the left provides "back handed" compliments that I see as negatives to Sanders in Cleveland if she represents the masses. I have heard (someone from Ohio and this was at least 2 weeks ago) that they like Will Howard and may trade the pick or take Will Howard in the second round. These Cleveland reporters explain that dynamic at the end of this video:

there is more of a chance that Sanders falls out of the top 8. Let's have some fun. Pick the slot you think Dart will go. I will say 7 to the Jets just for fun--(as I said, it is unlikely, but tell me where the other side of the Grand Canyon is. We will see who is closest if we both don't forget.

bless his heart.

Man I would love to see Dart move up into the top 7. Sounds crazy right now, but there is always a chance.

I need to look into it, but he is injured a lot and he is flagged a lot. I would not pay top dollar.

I was VERY impressed with Walker, and Joe knows they met at the combine. I just do not get how any reporter would get info like this 8 weeks before the draft and have the blessing to publish it. Are they not playing liars dice right now?

Speaking of Gamecocks, there was some fluff piece on my phone that suggested the Panthers could trade Horn-far apart on a contract--Can't find it-==anybody else hear this? If true, this could throw CB into the conversation at 8....

I have stated that he is too risky. my point was this: If you see a guy with his measureables and his "Myles Garrett" qualities he should not be disqualified because he underperformed in college. To play Devil's advocate to your point: Is there proof anyone will be successful as a pass rusher? I get it, and I have stated that I would not eliminate someone based solely on college performance. We have guys who had 18 sacks in college busting and we have (based on my example) guys with 1.5 sacks as a senior in college averaging double digit sacks. My point was do not turn on a guy based on that alone. The higher you draft this guy, the higher the risk--I said morgan cannot afford to make mistakes this year--like when he drafted XL and Brooks last year--one was raw and one was injured. It would be stupid to draft Stewart at 8. However, someone is going to draft him in the top 20, in all likelihood. That team will be taking on less risk than the Panthers at 8, but more than I would take--to your point.

Not being able to find one is not how I define "rare." Say what you mean. I agree with you, but there are more factors than performance in college that indicate professional success, which was my point. LOL

Moving the goal posts are we? You asked for 1 I gave you 1. 2. Odafe Oweh Penn State player who didn't have a sack in his last season, but was drafted by the Ravens in 2022 and had 10 sacks in 2024. I get your point--but I already made a point about the risk and why I would not do it, and then you mention the round which is a statement about risk tolerance.

That is why you have to pass on his potential and take something more established. I have already said that I would not take him at #8---but dropping 20+ pounds can add a lot of speed--but it is still a risk we cannot afford to take. I thought (when I first expressed interest in him at 280) that he was doing what he did at the SR Bowl at nearly 300. He could hold the edge and move inside on some downs. Still, I think sacks are not a good stat because some, like Burns, throw caution to the wind and go for sacks. I have even seen some of these elite pass rushers stop or quit when they get stonewalled, instead of pursuing the play until the whistle. I have seen people get sacks when 2 other teammates pressured the QB to the player who makes the stop as the third to arrive at the party. Pressures is a better stat. asked for one player with double digits sacks who was not a sack master in college, and without digging, I have 2. Linville is basically right and I get the point he is making--but my point was accurate. He asked for one name and I gave him 2 by thinking back and then checking stats. It is not common and we cannot take risks.

I see that, but I am guessing that we will upgrade Robinson and add a 2 gapper. I could be way off, and getting the DL right could be viewed by Morgan as a 2-year process since we have Robinson.

Too much risk--but I see what they are talking about. I have not heard the cliche "workout warrior" any more, and he could be just that. If he is anything close to Myles Garrett, you take him. If he is anything like YGM, you don't.

I think he is one of the "4 blue chip players" in this draft the scout was talking about. (Carter, Hunter, Graham, and the fourth could be any number of players-personally, I am thinking there are only 3) Graham is the safe bet, and you run to the podium with that pick, even though nobody runs to the podium any more.

I don't know how I feel about that. He turned heads at the SR bowl and looked very fast in his new body (265 lbs). He turned heads at the combine. I figured he would shoot up boards. When asked about his sack total, he called himself, "an all-around player who focused on being the best player for his team, not just chasing sacks," fwiw. Oh, and another example of a player with no real production in college who had double digit sacks in the NFL: Odafe Oweh Penn State player who didn't have a sack in his last season, but was drafted by the Ravens in 2022 and had 10 sacks in 2024.

I get the risk and probably, if I were the GM, would not pull the trigger on a player with those stats in the first round. We can't gamble during days 1 and 2 this year. If he is there in the third, yes.