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That is what the tea leaves say.

Nice to know that someone, somewhere is up when I am !! I think we keep Thielen maybe one season and you are right, go after the Alpha. We cannot miss on any picks--need 2 who can contribute. I think we are going to splurge on a G and find a serviceable CB in free agency--and then we will draft a developmental T later, based on these tea leaves.

Multiple WR types looks like we could go WR twice. In the deepest WR draft in years, yes. Teams may opt for other needs in the first round, assuming they can take a WR in round 2. That will cause someone to drop. My Rankings of these WRs (and so it was written): X WRs Round 1, 2: Brian Thomas 6-4 205 LSU (Gotta think Canales will want a Mike Evans clone) Round 2: Keon Coleman 6-4 205 FSU (Another large Evans-type red zone WR) Round 2, 3: Xavier Legette 6-3 227 THE USC (thick WR who is 23 with 1 year of experience. I thought he looked a bit sloppy at times at the Combine from what I could see. I am a Gamecock fan, but I think he'd be a value at pick #65, not #33. Slot WRs Round 1, 2: Ladd McConkey 6-0 185 UGA (Not sure you put him at slot exclusively; he can play all over. Good route runner.) Round 2: Xavier Worthy 6-1, 172 Texas (Zay Flowers' success, 4.21 could inflate his worthy-ness; I have him as a late second rounder, frankly. I know many have him as a possible first rounder. Too raw, imo. Round 3, 4: Malik Washington 5-8, 195 UVa (Huge production at UVA and he is perfect for the RAC receiver we need for screens and reverses, etc. Some have him as high as a second-round grade, but not in this WR group. He is a third rounder and we could probably get him at pick #101. Round 3, 4: Ainias Smith 5-10, 200 TexAM (Effective WR with big play and KR capabilities. My overall Rankings Brian Thomas Ladd McConkey Keon Coleman Xavier Worthy Xavier Leggett Malik Washington Ainias Smith

Morgan was right. We need some Dawgs. Thanks Dawg. It sure looks like we are 100% offense this time around. the D players (some of them) might be undrafted free agents. The fact that we talked to multiple OTs and no IOL (I realize this list is probably not complete) could also be telling. Could mean that we are targeting G in free agency like rumored. In our draft range, OG and OC is deep too. However, we could see 7 OTs come off the board in round 1--maybe 8. In round 3, we could get a second round value. Strongly suggests that we either A) are not 100% sold on Ickey or 2) need depth and plan to move on from Moton at some point, probably 2025.

we need to draft 2 WRs and 2 OL in this year's draft. The talent is overwhelming. BC to swing T--he is perfect for that. I changed my tune based on watching the combine this morning. Wow--the Center group is strong, the G group is very strong. OT? not as strong. 60 something combine invitees.

Morgan was in negotiations (allegedly) with Detroit at the combine. Here is what we know: 1. He wants dawgs. 2. He said that he was not going to structure contracts where the team "kicks the can down the road" To me, that leads to a lot of dead cap money eventually--and for the past half decade, the Panthers have been operating with a smaller cap figure than just about everyone else for this reason. More Hurney than Scott Fitt, but take a look at Moton's contract--$30m per season for 2024 and 2025. This means, Burns probably is not a "dawg" if he played not to be injured and his numbers reflected it. He wants top $$, however. Morgan is unlikely to give him the payday he wants. Frankly, I know he was aware that the Panthers turned down an offer to trade him, so I wonder if the comment was not made to a) provide an excuse for his drop in numbers, and b) trigger a trade on the part of Burns 3. To me, the draft has a lot of talent at our need positions WR, CB, IOL. The draft is not deep or that good at the edge position. Detroit picks 29th, and they are unlikely to find that complement to Hutchinson. 4. Detroit has a solid roster and have more cap room than most teams. (I have seen various estimates, but they are well over $50m)

How many WRs will go in round 1? Possibly 6--if Xavier's 40 time causes him to squeeze in the top 32, it could be 7. In my view, Harrison, Nabers and Odunze are top 10, and Thomas is top 20, and Franklin is top 32. That is 5 WRs going in the first round. Now, there is something to consider--the Panthers apparently had 2 meetings with Malik Washington, a 5'8" tall slot WR out of UVA who should be available in the third round or even on day 3. So what will be available with the #33 pick? A TON of solid WR talent (Listed below). However, we need a polished route runner and a guy with good hands who can work the middle and the sidelines. I had not really heard of him until the combine, but he kept catching my eye. Don't laugh, but if I was going to take a WR in the second round, I think I would take Pearsall. Here is why: WR Ricky Pearsall. Elite Combine performance, great hands, great route runner. 6 ft 1 inches tall. 195 lbs. 40: 4.41 (82nd percentile) Vert: 42” (97th percentile) Broad: 10’9” (89th percentile) 3-cone: 6.64 (93rd percentile) SS: 4.05 (89th percentile) Others Polk UW Legette SC J. Baker UCF J. Wilson Fl St McConkey UGA Mitchell Tex Coleman Fl St Worthy Tex Corley WKY Walker UNC Burton Bama Wilson Michigan It seems to me if we are interested in Washington later in the draft as a slot WR, we are probably going to draft an X WR at 33. Imagine this: Thielen Pearsall Mingo Malik Washington Marsette-Smith Marshall Jr I think that would be a significant upgrade. Now, the reason I did this is some of you were talking about McConkley--and I love him--but if we are talking to Malik Washington, we are not looking for a slot WR until later in the draft. That would restrict the players we'd take at #33. I think we could trade down 5-10 spots and still get Pearsall.

So you have data to support this? I would agree that your position is a "no brainer." 38% of self-identified Native Americans said they were not bothered by the Washington Redskins name. But 49% overall said it was offensive, along with 67% of respondents who were heavily engaged in their native or tribal cultures, 60% of young people, and 52% of those with tribal affiliations. But it is not about numbers, so I was wrong for presenting the data to argue in support of a decision that is about individuals, not groups. If it was always about the majority makes the decision, we could tear down access ramps for the disabled. We could hoist our Confederate flags to celebrate 4 years of white heritage that most whites know nothing about, and we could force all religions not classified as evangelicals to comply with the majority or tough sh!t. Right? If some are offended, even if those offended were not in the majority, that is all that should matter.

You know, I have been really down on the TEs this year, I have not even considered them. However, after watching those tight ends in shorts working out---rephrasing---after watching the Y receivers compete at the combine, I saw a few who might be there later and might make us better. Please add to this list or correct me if I missed: List based on TEs that might be available after pick 101: 1. Ben Sinnott Kansas St. (maybe rounds 4-5) 2. Theo Johnson, Penn St. (4-5) 3. AJ Barner, Michigan (5-6) 4, Jaheim Bell, Florida St. (5-7) 5. Devin Culp Washington 5-7)

Any issue that addresses racism is going to be the few ruling many. The majority is not in position to decide how the minority group should feel about it simply because they can outvote them. Referring to skin color is about as racist as it gets, even if it is a mascot--in my view.

I think you have to piece together scraps and sift through the hype and dysinformation. Initially, I was Stroud but I sensed that the Panthers were going Young so I started selling it to myself. I should have stayed with my guns. Having said that, I am not throwing dirt on Young in his grave either. I saw a few flashes, and with an OL and a few weapons, Maybe--there is hope.

Verge mocked him. He is a playmaker. I mock him too, but not as early as Verge. I would not be disappointed, folsk

Probably Cam Newton

There are a few ways to go, and it all depends on how you slice up the money and the draft picks.

Yes. I think RBs should never get a second contract--keep em for 4 years as they do in college. Sanders is a great example of how an average back can look good behind a great OL. Spend your $$$ on the hog mollies and it makes the QB, WRs, TEs, and RBs get better.

You have a good football mind, but I disagree with your overall strategy, but I agree with the needs. OL: We need depth for the OL--and maybe 1 inside starter to compete for a starting spot. I also think our OL was horribly coached under Campen. That shows up across the board. I think "Coach em up" would be effective here. Ickey has elite LT talent, needs fundamentals. In my view, Corbett is good, Bozeman scared me last year, but with good guards, he improves. I would love to see BC become our depth at OT as the swing T. Leaves a G position to be filled. I might draft an IOL and sign one in free agency to fill the LG spot. The OL is not far from being very good, and that is encouraging. WR: We have the best WR draft ever this year, and I want to splash there. That does not mean we have to take one at #33, however. There will be trade offers--take one. So I would draft two WRs this year. 1. Free Agent 2. Theilen 3. Mingo 4.Draft Pick 5. Draft Pick 6. Smith-Marsette So, in free agency, we need to sign: a LG, a move that gives us quality depth at OT and no major concerns if we have an injury because BC would be an ideal swing OT, a mediocre LG. In the draft, we need an IOL. We need to coach up Mays, Zavala. Campen didn't. a TE, Now, Hurst and Tremble may be what they want in this new system, but an offensive threat is needed. Young needs a Y that can get open and scare the D. a WR: We could really use an experienced stud, like the players mentioned by the OP. I still would make sure I got one or two out of this draft. a CB: Griffin might be re-signed, and he might be good depth, but I am looking for a serviceable backup for Horn and Jackson--more injured than any starting CB tandem in the NFL. Of course, Burns' situation could change everything.

Is he coming back or is he done? I heard his injury could end his career, but I may have heard that here on the Huddle, which is like taking financial advice from a homeless crack head.

How the hell did we win 2 games?

I wanted to like Fittererer. But can anyone name a good move he made? Luvu is the best, but after that, I can't think of a good free agent or draft pick.

I am just seeing a bunch of zeros. Oh, now I get it.

Interesting stuff, brother. Thanks for sharing

Here is my positive spin. A while back, I was an assistant principal. I was an extension of the principal, even though I shared my contrarian views frequently. I was rarely heard, and the principal expected me to enforce her decisions. I did. When she was demoted, the interview committee basically held it against me that I worked under her. I remember saying, "I learned a lot from her about how a principal allows their egos to take over, how they become blinded by politics, and how they should listen to their subordinates with more purpose. If you think success is the only teacher or that I will pattern my leadership after a model I know to be broken, then you need to start asking me specific questions about what advice I provided that was not accepted. I was never insubordinate, however, and it seems that you expected me to be so." They did not offer me the job, but it did reveal their bias. I wonder if Morgan faced the same obstacles--with Tepper getting involved, Fitterer would listen to his boss and not his apprentice.

Dang Tepper. It is getting harder and harder to sell our tickets to traveling Visitor fans who want to see their team push for a playoff spot.

Not really what I said. But you don't go from bad to great--there is usually a progression.

I love the guy. I imagine the players will too.