MHS831

It bothers me that we have no LBs on this list---we have NO Depth there. IMO, we take a RB here when would should be drafting a LB. But with so many needs, it is difficult to cover all bases.

Good job and I see the logic. My comments (just to share where my brain is, not to criticize) are in bold above. Thank you.

Thanks to the patriots, I have boycotted video cameras and football inflating devices. Now I guess the full line of Kraft food products.

Since this thread is pretty misleading, I thought it was going to be about players you think the Panthers will select....to keep this alive, I will start. 1. Ladd McConkey WR 2. Payton Wilson LB 3. Ja'Tavion Sanders TE I think one or two of these will be Panthers--I see the Panthers (Morgan with Keuchly in his ear) loving Wilson.

Hope he gets to sing it if he comes here.

UPDATED----Now I feel very confident that Minnesota will use both firsts to move up to #4. That changes a lot. Here is the revised version-- 1. Chicago Bears Team needs: QB, IOL, WR, EDGE, DT, S, IOL Commentary: Obviously the pick will now be a QB, and it is fairly certain that it will be Caleb Williams. Pick: Caleb Williams QB, USC 2. Washington Commanders Team needs: QB, IOL, EDGE, CB, LB, OT, WR Commentary: The pick will be QB, and there is some debate about the style of QB the Commanders will draft. After signing a backup, it may have been a tell: Pick: Jayden Daniels QB, LSU 3. New England Patriots Team needs: QB, OT, WR, TE, LB, DL, OT Commentary: The Patriots are probably going to be happy with QB#3 falling into their laps. Pick: Drake Maye, QB, UNC 4. Minnesota Vikings (Trade) Commentary: I predict a possible trade with the Vikings for the Vikings 2 first-rounders in 2024 (11, 23) NOTE: The Vikings do not have another pick until round 4, so they could work out some future picks to get back into day 2….. Pick: JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan 5. Los Angeles Chargers Team needs: CB, DL, RB, LB, TE, OT, IOL, WR Commentary: If the Giants make the move they almost have to make, the Chargers probably run to the podium with their pick–the best WR to come out in quite some time. If the Cards sit tight and take Harrison, this pick becomes a bidding war between the Giants and Minnesota–so the Giants might get off cheaper dealing with #4 than #5. Pick: Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State. 6. New York Giants Team needs: IOL, WR, EDGE, DL, RB, CB Commentary: The Giants just signed Jones to a long term deal, like it or not, so they can take a developmental QB in round 2 if that is what they want to do. While moving up for McCarthy was my original thought, the Vikings are hungrier and they will spend both firsts to move up to #4 for a QB with a questionable first round grade. To me, that is what they have to do, while the Giants have options. Pick: Malik Nabors, WR, LSU 7. Tennessee Titans Team needs: OT, IOL, WR, CB, EDGE, TE, DL, RB Commentary: The Titans’ biggest need is probably OT, and there are 8 teams who have a similar interest. While it is possible that a team with a need at T or WR makes offers to trade up, I take the best OT if I am the GM. Pick: Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame. 8. Atlanta Falcons Team needs: EDGE, IOL, WR, CB, LB, DL Commentary: The Falcons can focus on the defense and their biggest need is for an Edge. Pick: Dallas Turner, Edge, Alabama 9. Chicago Bears Team needs: IOL, WR, EDGE, DL, S, IOL Commentary: With the new QB, the Bears could go two ways here. They could decide that Moore is the #1 and they can wait to get a WR in round 2, but their second biggest need, edge, was addressed with Montez Sweat last year. They will give Caleb another weapon. Pick: Rome Odunze, WR Washington 10. New York Jets Team needs: OT, IOL, OT, DL, QB, RB, WR Commentary: There is a reason you do not mock draft before free agency–the Jets signed 2 veteran OTs (Smith, Moses) and will probably start them. With the top 3 WRs off the board, the Jets upgrade tremendously with an offensive weapon just as dangerous. Pick: Brock Bowers, TE Georgia. 11. Arizona Cardinals (TRADE FROM VIKINGS) Team needs: CB, DT, EDGE, LB, OG, WR, OT. Commentary: Minnesota has the #11 and #23 pick in the draft, and #11 will go to McCarthy if he lasts this long; Penix would be a huge reach here and at #23. Denver and Vegas are without starting QBs, unless Minshew is the starter. Does that force the Vikings to take Penix maybe a round too soon? While many mockers are taking an edge here, I do not, and they will hope the #23 pick can be for a QB. The Pick: Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State 12. Denver Broncos Team needs: QB, DL, IOL, S, CB, LB, EDGE Commentary: Surtain gets a CB on the other side. Pick; Terrion Arnold, CB Alabama 13. Las Vegas Raiders Team needs: QB, IOL, DL, CB, OT, LB, RB. Minshew is not the long term answer, but unless Vegas rolls the dice and goes after Lefty Penix, I don’t see QB right now. The choice is between OT and CB, and OT is deep in the first round. Decent CB talent can be found later. The Pick: Taliese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State 14. New Orleans Saints Team needs: IOL, EDGE, DL, WR, LB, CB, RB, TE, Best value here: Jared Verse, Edge, Florida State 15. Indianapolis Colts Team needs: WR, DT, EDGE, IOL, CB, QB, RB Commentary: This pick will not be difficult–the best player on their board fills their biggest need. Colts run to turn the card in, if they still do that. Pick: Brian Thomas Jr. WR, LSU 16. Seattle Seahawks Team needs: DL, LB, S, IOL, QB, TE, EDGE. Commentary: The Seahawks primary need is two guards, and there does not seem to be much help in free agency. Pick: Troy Fautanu, G, Washington 17. Jacksonville Jaguars Team needs: EDGE, WR, IOL, DL, CB, IOL, S Commentary: Gotta get an edge to become scary on D. Pick: Laiatu Latu, Edge UCLA 18. Cincinnati Bengals Team needs: OT, DL, IOL, EDGE, TE, CB, WR With the addition of a rather substantial RB in the conference, the Bengals have to keep Burrow healthy. Pick: J. C. Latham, OT, Alabama 19. Los Angeles Rams Team needs: OT, IOL, CB, S, LB, WR, EDGE Commentary: I wanted to go with Murphy of Texas to replace Donald, so I did. Pick: Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas 20. Pittsburgh Steelers Team needs: OT, CB, IOL, LB, S, DL Commentary: Mason Cole C was a cap casualty and his replacement was not addressed. While a T is possible here, with 2 new QBs, a Center is a must. Pick: Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia 21. Miami Dolphins Team needs: IOL, EDGE, CB, IOL, TE, DL, LB Commentary: One of the best CBs falls to the fish and they bite. Pick: Quinion Mitchell, CB Toledo 22. Philadelphia Eagles Team needs: EDGE, RB, CB, IOL, S, TE, WR Commentary: The Eagles would probably prefer edge here, but there are a few solid CBs on the board that should fit nicely. This CB can come up and stuff the run and play in the box if needed. Pick: Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson. 23. Arizona Cardinals (via Texans and Vikings) Team needs: CB, DT, EDGE, LB, OG, WR, OT Commentary: Corner is a huge need, and this kid from Iowa is special, can play any DB position. Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa 24. Dallas Cowboys (12-5) Team needs: OT, IOL, RB, CB, LB, DT, S Commentary: Jerry Jones knows that he was not as successful in Dallas until he started drafting OL early. This T can play either side, and since the OL is in flux a bit, it should be a sound pick. Pick: Jackson Powers-Johnson, Oregon 25. Green Bay Packers (9-8) Team needs: IOL, S, RB, EDGE, LB, DL, OT Commentary: While it may appear that he is a reach because he has shorter than desired arms, Jordan Love needs a LT now. Between the tall Tyler Guyton and Jordan Morgan, The Packers could take either one and fill that need. Morgan has more LT experience. Pick: Jordan Morgan, OT Arizona. 26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers team needs: IOL, EDGE, LB, CB, S, WR Commentary: C Ryan Jensen is gone, and the Bucs need to address that position in the draft. Pick: Graham Barton, C, Duke 27. Arizona Cardinals Team needs: CB, DT, EDGE, LB, OG, WR, OT Commentary: After trading back from #4 to #11 and #23, the Cardinals use the pick they got from Houston to fill another primary need with a good value. Pick: Johnny Newton, DT, Illinois 28. Buffalo Bills Team needs: , WR, CB, S, LB, DL Commentary: Bills will come away from this draft with a long-term replacement for Gabe Davis and a cornerback who can aid in replacing Tre'Davious White. The find good value here. The Pick: Adonai Mitchell, WR Texas 29. Detroit Lions Team needs: IOL, CB, EDGE, DL, WR, S, LB Commentary: The Lions were very good last season, but their secondary ranked 29th in net yards per pass attempt. CB is the priority, and if a good one is there at the end of round 1, they will bite. Pick: Kool Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama. 30. Baltimore Ravens Team needs: RB, IOL, DL, CB, EDGE, OT, WR. Commentary: With the Odell Beckham side show gone, the Ravens would add a WR to pair with Zay Flowers. Pick: Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon 31. San Francisco 49ers Team needs: OT, IOL, EDGE, DL, IOL, S, CB Commentary: The NFC champs has several needs on the OL. Fortunately for them, a T that can play both sides of the OL falls here. Pick: Tyler Guyton, OT Oklahoma 32. Kansas City Chiefs Team needs: OT, WR, DL, LB, S, CB, RB Commentary: This has to be Wide Receiver. Just has to be. Pick: Ladd McConkey, WR, Georgia 33 Trade possibilities: Denver, the Raiders, and maybe the Giants are likely going to make offers in order to move up for Penix or Nix–but I think Penix is going to be the target. Raiders: 44, 77 (roughly) to move up. Broncos: 76, 2025 second-round pick Giants: 47, 2025 second-round pick Eagles need an edge, and Chop Robinson will be there at 33. They have 2 second-rounders later in round 2. They have very few picks. I could see the following: Eagles 50, 53 to Panthers for 33, 101, 141

If we had Connor Williams, we would have the best OL in the NFL, (I think Ekwonu will be better this season for numerous reasons).

In my mind, you have to look at the draft's talent levels and drop offs. If you can move back a bit and stay on a plane, then I say do it. But if there is a drop off, don't do it. However, in this draft when I have mocked, I screw up when I trade back. I would like to say that if you look past the 2024 draft, we have no leverage next year should we need to move up even a little bit to get a QB--and the QB market seems weak right now. If we could recoup that second rounder this year, it gives us a lot of options next year should Bryce not evolve. However, there are other ways of getting draft picks, but to get a second rounder outside the draft, you need to give up a really good player...so to your point, if it puts us in a better position next year, I see the logic.

The receiving TE will help quite a bit, imo, but I am not a big fan of Wiggins--reminds me of Henderson too much and I can't get that out of my head--besides, I am not sure he starts right away. The rest of the players are depth players. I am starting to see a pattern--the experts seem to think CB is our biggest need. I would probably call the suicide hotline if we did this.

it really does matter where you do your practice mocks. I have some that have Elliss (OLB, Utah, I think) at 150. He will go in round 2 imo. I am starting to get pumped about this....just ready to know what he have. I am looking at this as year 1 or a 2 year rebuild.

You can fill our needs at CB in round 4. This would be mega dumb.

Seriously---this is a very shallow statement. At 33 someone with first round talent is going to fall and a CB with a late second round grade will not be the pick.

I have seen him in mocks around rounds 3-4. I was a bit surprised he was that low. I hear a lot of teams like him. I don't like him at 33 or 39--CB rich draft. be patient. I figured we go WR and LB in round 2--after a trade back. Juan, thanks for bringing us stuff like this when it is slow.

It really is a "wait and see." I have just seen too many QBs on various levels to suck when the conditions were bad and they suddenly got better when their OL was better. I would like to see a stat on how quickly the QB was moved from his mark (where the plant foot was to happen) instead of sacks. I know that Canales said he wanted the ball out in 2.7 seconds, which indicates a lot more pre snap reads. With a better OL, he can throw deep balls in that amount of time---however, when I watched some games that I saved, Young was moved before the 2.7 second point quite a bit--that indicates middle pressure for the most part. So maybe, just maybe....

Teams are getting a bit tired of the diva WRs. They are OK when their productivity overshadows their costs in the past, but when you spend millions-- The Panthers, at least in the eyes of Steeler nation, have one now. I doubt they add a second. Very interesting about J P-J possibly being there at 33. To me, that could be they pick. Unfortunately, I can never trust any offensive production evaluations from the Left coast. I would stay in the SEC for skill players and the Big10 for OL. New rule.

Flawed logic. WR was not the reason we did not go deep as much--we had Chark. Add a center and we can go deep more easily than adding a WR.

OK, I am back. It bothers me not having the second rounder in 2025, but I had to take what what was available. I can't NOT take a first-round grade OC when he is sitting atop my board. Nor could I pass on Ladd at 39. Wilson at #65 could be the steal of the draft if he stays healthy, but Jonah Ellis in the fourth was stealing too. Ray Davis is a beast of a compact runner. Wiley is a tall target for Mini-Cam and we probably need to watch the waiver wire for CB depth.

no lb? oh boy Now, I--the MHS you all love---will go to Draft Buzz and mock in hopes that when I share it, I will not be mocked. Be back is a few minutes.

I am really looking forward to this draft--I thought, FU FItterer, but there is still some drama. Gonna be fun.

OK, I understand taking a draft pick away, but swapping with the Vikings is a move that also hurts the Giants. The Vikings already have 2 firsts, and the Giants who need a QB and are sitting at #6. That would be rewarding the Vikings 150 points. I think they should take the Falcons 79th pick (3rd) and give it to the Vikes--but this swapping thing has a victim or two (It could hurt Denver as well) in the first round.

Kool Aid could be a draft faller. Remember, he had a better CB playing across from him, so he was matched up on the #2 wr a lot--it seems. I think the draft is deep at CB and if you take one at 33, you are missing out on a player of greater need. However, I could be wrong--I was once wrong about a draft pick or two--but it was way back in 2023.

Trading down is usually not a good thing. You could argue that we traded down to get Jon Beason back in the day. That turned out alright, didn't it? The player we traded away? Revis Island. Having just thought of one example and applying it to every possible situation as some are prone to do, I will consider this if the following conditions occur: 1. Since the WR depth is deep, multiple WRs expected to be available at 33 will be available. 2. Any trade backs include a third rounder or higher this season or a first or second rounder in 2025 (I see this draft and laying the foundation, and if we can fill the gaps in the 2025 draft, it could be worth a drop.) OR 3. Any trade back includes a quality player at a need position in addition to swapping picks this season. It all depends on the board. For example, would you surrender Ladd McConkey if you could get Ricky Pearsall and Payton Wilson in return? This is a DEEP draft with a lot of first round grades---the Panthers have many needs and other teams know that and will want to move up. In my opinion, the picks 33-40 will include names that had been projected to go in round 1. After 40, the talent is pretty level until around pick 70. So if we could trade 33 for pick 42 and 70, for example, we would have 39, 42, 65, and 70. WR, C, LB, CB. However, any GM without a first rounder who enters a draft looking to fill 5 spots is a dreamer. We should really focus on our top 2 immediate needs ( WR, C or TE) and the rest are depth.

Both of these guys scare me---loved them at first, then I probably overthunk it.

*TH3*B3A$T*2024* for those who need to cut and paste. We should pin this thread.