MHS831

I called both of them and apologized.

My problem (as if this is the only one) is that I do not trust Alabama QBs, Ohio State QBs, or QBs from FCS schools. I guess there are some decent/not recent BYU QBs. Probably (and I have not thought this through) the best QBU lately has been NC State.

Jones---if you give him a great OL, a CMC, and good WRs and a good TE, he could be about like Locke in Denver, maybe better. If he is there in the second, I am not sure I would take him. A QB needs to be a stud or you don't have one. It is a wasted pick. If Grier was drafted in round 5, you still would have no QB--just a better round to waste a pick

So you are saying that because they could not see him, they could not make a decision about him? They could not communicate with his surgeon? They could not communicate with his rehab team? He could not have sent them range of motion videos, film of him passing? Cam was picking and choosing what he wanted teams to see and know. One scout tweeted, (paraphrasing) Cam wants us to kick the tires after we buy the car. It don't work that way." The league has a grapevine--there may be secrets hidden from the public, but people generally know. Cam had red flags. Cam may have had a good game with his repaired shoulder, but it does not take long for those ligaments and tendons to stretch out and become "fatigued". Shoulder surgery ended my career in college, so I have some idea of how it feels. Some snap back, but you can't tape a shoulder to give it support. It is either fully repaired or it is not. Cam looked like a new car, but he was burning oil.

I am kidding myself then. Like Cam, a QB's life expectancy is not measured in years or organic nutribars. Wilson has been hit a lot, and he does not have the frame Cam has. https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/831-hits-counting-toll-cam-newtons-punishing-playing/story?id=42831795

The STARTING POINT is 3 firsts--the ENDING POINT will be much lower if they are serious.

Marty made CMC expendable when he signed him to that deal. He is such a person who gets called dumbass a lot.

A lot of this mystery will be resolved in March---but it is tough waiting that long.

I am of the same mindset--Miami, if they are really ready to move on from their first round, coming off injury QB, and will give up a bunch of picks to do so...Or do they sit there and take Lance or Fields--or trade back a bit and GAIN a pick and take Lance or Fields? Just does not make that much sense. The Jets? They are in position to get Wilson, and he is widely considered to be the best QB in the draft not named Trevor. They need picks to build a bad roster--are they really going to trade away a first rounder in 2022 to get Watson over Wilson? That makes no sense, which is why they might do it. The Dolphins have some picks this year, but they are hardly a complete team. They are the team, however, that threatens the Panthers' chances the most, imo.

Whoa!! This needs its own thread title: BurnNChinn has a friend. (is it Mr. Scot?)

Cam could have embarrassed him. "Kid, you will know when I am poor when I move in next door to you." "You remind me of myself at your age; only I had already hit puberty." "By the look of those blisters, you are right handed and single."

Yep. A real peach.

I am not sure what you mean--I just throw ideas out to stretch our thinking on it. I do not visit the Huddle to have my narrow-minded opinions confirmed. I am wrong too much---I really do not understand the thought/question. I think I know what you meant, and I am not endorsing this as option A. I am not even endorsing it at all--just thinking it through from a positive perspective.

We need an evaluator who can match the skill set to the system and gauge the potential for success. We (Huddlers) look at stats and scoreboards and say, "He sucks." But at one time, Mariota was one of the top 2 QBs in college football. I do not see bust in this case, I see bad fit. But I am not an expert--which is why I like to hear alternative opinions and I do not care for the armchair GMs who think a QB at 22 is better than a veteran at 27. There are a lot of QBs in the NFL that have resurrected their careers in a new town with a new coach. This year, with all the movement looking for Watson, R Wilson, top 4 draft picks, somebody is going to overlook a player that simply needs the right fit. I wish I had the eye to know who and where.

I had the same question-- https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/oregon-ducks/why-marcus-mariota-may-be-cut-raiders-rather-traded-despite-rumors

I can just hear him at the table---hedge fund managers think outside the box and they take risks. If anything, he would empower the brain trust to take risks if they feel it will produce a solid return. Instead of looking over their shoulders and second guessing themselves, they are looking for the moment to make their move. When I said, "calling the shots" (I was leaving and wanted, for some reason, to send out that message) I was actually happy that he was telling them what he wanted--I doubt many doubt we need a QB, but for the owner to be pounding the table, we will do it. So your take is on point. I am a Tepper fan. I love how he made his money--it takes balls, skill, and intelligence to do that--what we are looking for in a QB.

Good chance he is cut if they cannot get a good offer.

Mariota--not a bad thought. A lot of people trash the qbs that are highly rated, drafted early, and then go to some terrible team. They become 21-year old saviors for an entire city/state and are often drafted early because the front office sucks. Having said all that, there is something to be said about a guy who can play with talent around him. A guy who has sat on the bench for a few years. A student of the game. When I saw him play one game this year, he was not the same QB he was in Tennessee. I have a friend on the Raiders team and he loves Mariota. He says that he thinks Mariota is better than Carr. Said he is fast, has a good, accurate arm, and the players like him. He is 27 and mobile. When he came out, was he as good as Wilson? Lance? Fields? Give him some protection and weapons, and he could surprise some folks. To me, he is the hidden gem of free agency--the Tanneyhill. Mariota has an 89 career qb rating and 62% completion rate. I think both increase here once we get the OL together. He might be cut--the salary cap figure for him is $11m, so it is possible we could sign him without losing a pick or a trade. WFT loves him, and that is where he is projected to go if anywhere--- The pick is not getting the QB he has been, but it is picking a skill set that possibly might prosper in this system. Just a thought for those who like draft picks and keeping our best players.

Well, I did not mean Jerry Jonsing it--calling the shots was not really fair--but he if he wants a QB, we getting a QB. That is all--what kind of QB? Well, Stafford and Watson are different animals, so I do not think he is calling the type. I agree with your take.

This franchise is about 28 years old. Kerry Collins and Cam Newton are the only franchise QBs we drafted in the first round. No wonder we have no rings. We have been to 2 super bowls, 1 was a first overall pick and the other was an undrafted QB who sat the bench in NFL Europe before getting a bench job in the NFL behind the unimpressive Aaron Brooks. So who knows what the formula is. We have a big cap number available next year--so if we could get the QB now, we can sign the missing pieces in free agency in 2022. I see that as our best chance for a ring. I prefer moving up in the draft if Watson is not available. I think we should send 3 first rounders, Thompson, Bridgewater, CMC and maybe even CB Jackson to Jacksonville for Trevor. For Wilson, I might offer the same veterans and 2 first rounders. For Lance, same thing. For Fields, I have lost interest. I think he falls to us and I think we might take him at #8, (everyone thinks, what about Philly? Detroit? Philly and Detroit have better QBs than Fields right now, imo).

Relax. You fuse fact with opinion---in a league starved for QBs, you want to explain why 31 other teams did not sign him when he was released? If his supporting cast was the problem, then other NFL teams would agree and sign him, right? Right now, half the league is looking to change starting QBs---and he is not even in the conversation. Period. He wanted a contract here (commitment) and the Panthers were unwilling to gamble on him. It was a smart move, and the New England experiment proved it. About your comparison with the Panthers. The Panthers had one of the worst rosters if not THE worst roster. They had 25% of the cap in dead money. Lost their starting TE, MLB, QB, etc. several other key players. And you say New England's roster was worse-as if that was even a valid point. QUESTION For you--yes or no is all I need: Would you have given Cam the contract he was seeking (commitment) to stay here for 4 more seasons? A bargain contract would have been $130m with about $80 guaranteed. Nobody else did it, but you would have?

31 other teams were going a different direction as well. Only NE took him on a "prove it" deal. He proved that he is probably done. Not disrespecting Cam, but this makes sense if he left and took a team to the Super Bowl or something like that. Instead, the team he led did not make the playoffs for the first time in 20 years. This was not about intimidation--it was business. I love Cam's fire. He should respect Rhule and Tepper--it was Ron Rivera who went 4 wheeling for 8 years with a Ferrari.

This is the question --is Lance worth trading away future #1 picks? Is Fields? Heck, is Wilson? If not, we will do what we have to do to get Watkins.

BUT we beat that team that whose name is not to be mentioned and our old coach, who could not put together winning seasons with a franchise qb. Hang that banner!!