MHS831

What was his best year, 7 sacks or something? Nearly $7m per?

I was abused as a child-nobody was raising me. So, I thought I would do my part. thanks, buddy.

Personally, I do not see when it is ever appropriate to beat a child. If you hit anyone else the way AP hit his child, it is felony assault and battery. Why do we treat children like their parents' property and not human beings? Is it because they have the responsibility to raise them? Nobody earned the right, nobody passed a course, nobody had to qualify in any way. You have sex, a kid arrives, and we are its unqualified providers and protectors. We get frustrated because we don't know how to handle situations, so we hit a person four times smaller than we are. That ain't parenting. That is brutal ignorance. AP literally and physically damaged his child, not to mention the psychological, long-term impact that kid will carry inisde for years.. I normally agree with you, BJ, but not on this one. I have seen the damaged children who are being raised by their parents. I have reported their parenting approaches to child protective services and saved kids--or rescued them--from their parents. This is my book on the topic: http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Desperation-Competition-Neglected-Children-ebook/dp/B00C1OK6AC I spent 5 years researching the topic before writing this. Did you know that Norway does not "spank" their children, and they have not for 2 generations? They find it to be barbaric. They have one of the lowest crime and suicide rates in the world. They do not have children taking drugs to keep up in school. They see children as humans who need to be nurtured and not beaten. Imagine that. I am glad the NFL stepped up. I hope it saved other children from similar beatings. You are, unfortunately, in the majority, BJM. When you never question tradition, it tends to own the people who follow it.

Run a 4.26 40, and I will make some calls.

He can fly. Imagine Nortman's 55-yard punts being fair caught when Jones and Williams are standing there when the ball arrives.

Great point about Cam. I do not think we would have brought in Oher if Matsko did not feel confident about his ability to get the most out of him. Did people complain about signing Mitchell and Remmers? Yup. Special teams--not the offense--was this team's achilles heel last year. We have already upgraded at OT and WR--more to come, but we are in good shape.

We would not have the fun of conflict on here if the good Lord only gave internet rights to people with common sense. I am a homer. This is a Panther website, where Panther fans go. If anyone is looking for objectivity, don't google a discussion board dedicated to the Panthers. Homers are critical of the team (sometimes unfairly) when things are not going well. They support the team when things are going well. I personally LOVE the moves and the style Gettlemen is demonstrating. Yes, I want the eye-level Snickers bar at the grocery store checkout, but I have the sense to know that Mom knows what is best for me when she puts it back. Some want to make Mom the villain, when if you had your way, you would be a 350 lb. middle aged, pimple-faced man still living in her basement, banging away at your computer about objectivity on a Panther discussion board.

To be a locker room cancer, all you have to do is shine a negative light on your teammates. (I know we associate it with the inability to get along with teammates, but if you are screwing up in public or letting them down by doing idiotic things that get you injured, the teammates get pissed--they want rings, not interview questions about your stupidity). If they are all out doing community work--visiting hospitals, raising money for breast cancer, etc. and some turd teammate is flying down Brookshire going 100+ mph passing cars with children and innocent people in them, guess who gets the PR? Guess who gets hated in the locker room? Check out Dwan Edward's recent comments, a guy who played beside Hardy. He has a wife and small girls at home. He sounds as if he took it a bit personally. Do you think that friction is not "locker room cancer?" Could I play beside Adrian Peterson, even if he was a great person to me? I would have problems with it because I take child abuse very seriously. If you still defend Hardy, you just don't get it. That is OK, nobody said only decent, sensible people could access the internet.

Perfect fit. In Oakland, the women beat the men's asses.

I see both sides- he did some good things, but he was, for most of his tenure, riding on players already here. For example, how good was he at bringing in WR talent? Moose and SS were here already, but when moose went to Chicago, how did Marty respond?. DT? Jenkins left, and what was the plan then? RG? S? Did we ever have one? QB (before Cam). He was once considered a tough negotiator, a pioneer when it came to contracts (Beason, for example). However, when we needed him to replace the existing pillars of the team that were aging out, he sucked. Giving Jake the HUGE contract when nobody else wanted Jake after Tommy John surgery was the first sign of his ineptitude and desperation. Then came his downfall, but he was struggling before. Just my opinion, but Hurney was dumb in free agency, if you ask me. Evans was a good one, Lucas OK. However, most were busts.

Zod is going to eat those words because I am sending out 32 resumes this weekend. Boom.

REASONS? Hurney was too stupid, Gettlemen is too smart.

He is 6 -3, which makes me wonder if they are thinking S. STs I am pretty sure, but just to throw another option out there...

Kinda reminds one of Fozzy, Remmers, and Glanton, doesn't it? A 2-year deal suggests that they feel very good about him.

Yes, we are really targeting special teams and Offense this year, but he could play the position Jones manned this past year. I wish I knew more about it, but people said basically the same thing about Jones.

When I open a thread like this, I read the first post (OC) and then I skip about 5 because I know there will be the critical, uninformative, unsupported zingers from people who are simply trying to dazzle us all with their quick wit. Interesting signing. Remember, we have a good db coach.

Boykin had over 600 yards his second season. It is said that he ran a 4.74 at the combine, but he ran a 4.58 at his pro day. There may be something there. Bersin, Cotchery are possibly positions that could be upgraded.

With a decent QB, they could be the second best team in the South. Sad, but true.

The Bucs are the team to watch--but we are the team to beat. I like Kalil, Norwell, and Turner.

Some of you just gravitate toward the bad boys. You think you can save them from themselves. You think there will be some payoff or that you are above others because you think a change of scenery entitles a person to a clean slate. Or you blame youth for all of the person's indiscretions, as if our youth has nothing to do with who we are. Sure, some change for the better, but for the most part, most don't--especially when you give them millions. Look at Hardy--he was here 4 years and he bought assault rifles, wrecked a motorcycle, photographed his speedometer going 100+, and dated a girl using crack. (Bbbut, but, nothing was proven in court!--shut up. He is soooo innocent, no team in the NFL wants him). Look at Thomas Davis, who never had character issues in college. Look at Luke, who never had character issues in college. We count on them. We have drafted time bombs before. Mike Goodson comes to mind. I was standing beside a 15-year old girl at an OTA and he hit on her. You know the rest of the story. What about Hogan from WVU? Good investment. In fact, I can't think of 1 player with serious character issues that ever panned out--but let's draft some thug on probation who can't keep a roster spot on a college team. HALF of the first rounders drafted do not pan out. Why reduce those odds by taking a player who is an emotional, maturational, ethical coin toss?

It's March. Lotta bitching without a lot of practical solutions. This is not Madden. Does anyone have any idea how many teams have LTs the fans are happy with? They are hard to find and expensive. Some are like homeless kids bitching to their Mom because they can't buy a pair of the new $230 Jordans. We all agree that we need to bolster the tackle positions.

About Bell and Chandler--Rivera was high on them, but we really were broke and had no money to address the pricey OT position. I think they squirmed through a season of watching those 2 get humiliated every week and know that the have to do something this year. Oher is phase 1 of a process. He has experience and they feel they can protect Cam with him, and I am sure Matsko had a loud voice in that process. Nobody knows Bell and Oher better than our OL coach. Many teams do not like their LT--about as many who do not like their QB. They are hard to find. Over the past 2 seasons, 10 OTs were drafted before the 20th pick in each draft. 2 were successful starters in 2014. So, don't think the answer is in the draft. They might develop into good players, but they need a year or two. I do not see how Gettlemen ignores OT in the draft. However, you have to protect Cam to win.

I agree with you, but I don't think he had a choice. If I am not mistaken, it was Rivera that had faith in Bell and his left hand. Gettlemen may have erred by trusting his coach's estimation of Bell. Even if not, we were still in cap hell. I think Gettlemen's goal was to get totally out of cap hell before Cam's rookie contract expired. It was never to be a 1-year process, especially when you have 3-4 year bad contracts to wade through. Offensive Tackle is an expensive position to fix--like QB. When we went with Bell, we were basically like the Browns having to go with Hoyer. Hope he doesn't hurt you while you are building. This is the year we address OT. Last year, the draft did not present a T he liked--he admitted that. Collins (now cut) was the best free agent. He did not have options or money. Oher is an upgrade. If Matsko can work his magic, he could do the job.

Maybe we should notice that Gettlemen is spending $$ on Known quantities. 10 re-signed players, Ted Ginn, and now Oher, a player our OL coach knew. He is not grasping at straws, chasing big names of the past, etc.

Ignoring cap issues, are we? Tackle is an expensive position to address properly.