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In your response you blame someone else. You are well trained. About the mirror---I DID. I was a Republican my entire adult life--in that reflection, I said, "Can I support a con man? A corrupt failure of a human? Can I force myself to believe the lies?" I would be happy to send you that mirror with directions. Then again, how would a mirror serve a blind person?

I think they know it is all BS, but they endorse it because it gives their hidden agendas credibility. Every time he grabs some "emergency funding" or tax breaks, he gives the masses a taste and feeds the rich a full course meal. These red-hatted morons praise him for the taste. They are gas-lighted, propagandized, cult figures. When Trump no longer needs their vote--as will be the case if he is re-elected--and if he has the support of a loyal and equally-corrupt senate (Burr from NC, for example), he won't even have to lie to his cult. They will no longer be needed or useful. That is his pattern with everyone and everything in his miserable existence. They know not what they do.

A Travel ban, regardless of what Trump TV told you, is not consistent with measures other countries put in place BEFORE the numbers started increasing. We are tired of excuses and blaming others--why not produce some results? It is that simple. Are you all not tired of blaming hundreds of others for Trump's inability to do his job? (But they said he is doing a great job!) Worst president in American history by far. Should end up in prison, like so many of his staffers. Leaders don't point fingers. Leaders do not NEED a TV station to spin facts for you. Leaders do not need the support of gullible, mislead followers.

Blame the leader---not Nancy Pelosi. The fact that you all constantly need someone to blame is very telling---it is because you support an idiot. Cherry pick distorted facts all you want, but a true leader does not make excuses like you all do for him. He is a pussy--he is weak and stupid, relying on some news network to feed propaganda to those in the country who excuse or fail to see that he consistently and constantly shows you who he is. No, there is not some conspiracy to get the president--he shows us that he is unethical, criminal, and immoral all the time. Instead of chasing down his "look over there" finger pointing, why not give your allegiance to this corrupt loser some thought. You are getting played--you and a bunch of other gullible Fox viewers. I respect that as much as I do the National Enquirer, pro wrestling, and reality TV--all things Donald Trump has been involved with--imagine that. So when you try to support him--understand that this is the person we see you defending----not the character presented to you in lies and spin.

They aren't. You are trying to argue some ambiguous point when the many other stupid, careless, uninformed comments get a pass? Why do we have 1/3 of the cases in the world, and only 4% of the world's population? Read his public comments during February and March. The man let people die because he was worried about the economy. He politicized death. It was that simple. Period. Full stop. The data clearly demonstrates that our leader is a narcissistic dumbass.

Talk Facts---his ban was in part, based on the trade deals--trying to establish leverage. It was more rhetoric than anything else. But that is all Trump supporters need--they want to be lied to, obviously. Here are facts pulled YESTERDAY---If TRUMP was all over this, how do we have 1/3 of the world's cases (we have about 4% of the world's population)? Look at the deaths vs. the rest of the world. He could have led instead he passed the buck, blamed others, bragged with false statistics, and lied about his lies. These are the numbers. How do they reflect his leadership? If you defend this, you are closer to a cult member than a responsible citizen. He did not make America great, but we are #1!!! I am guessing Fox News has not shared the math with the Trump Chumps. Fake News, right?

So you are saying that Trump was proactive and all over this, even though the numbers vs the world do not suggest anything REMOTELY akin to what you are saying. You are spewing spin. Let's talk FACTS (not KellyAnne's version) and stop believing everything you want to hear oozing from the white house. This is your guy---after saying in March: "I always felt this was a pandemic. I was calling it a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic." Let's take a look, since the democrats are trying to bring down the President (these are his words--hint--if you don't like them, chant "fake news" like your training suggests): Here’s what the president said in public remarks, interviews and tweets from Jan. 22 to March 10 -– one day before the World Health Organization declared the global outbreak a pandemic. Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview. Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan. Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House. (See our item “Will the New Coronavirus ‘Go Away’ in April?“) Feb. 14: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus. So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner.” — Trump in speaking to National Border Patrol Council members. Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters. Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet. Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing. Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference. Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference, when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.” Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House meeting with African American leaders. Feb. 29: “And I’ve gotten to know these professionals. They’re incredible. And everything is under control. I mean, they’re very, very cool. They’ve done it, and they’ve done it well. Everything is really under control.” — Trump in a speech at the CPAC conference outside Washington, D.C. March 4: “[W]e have a very small number of people in this country [infected]. We have a big country. The biggest impact we had was when we took the 40-plus people [from a cruise ship]. … We brought them back. We immediately quarantined them. But you add that to the numbers. But if you don’t add that to the numbers, we’re talking about very small numbers in the United States.” — Trump at a White House meeting with airline CEOs. March 4: “Well, I think the 3.4% is really a false number.” — Trump in an interview on Fox News, referring to the percentage of diagnosed COVID-19 patients worldwide who had died, as reported by the World Health Organization. (See our item “Trump and the Coronavirus Death Rate.”) March 7: “No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.” — Trump, when asked by reporters if he was concerned about the arrival of the coronavirus in the Washington, D.C., area. March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a tweet. March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators. A day later, on March 11, the WHO declared the global outbreak a pandemic. Now Trump wants to pull funding from them--because they made him look bad. That is the leader you support. Wake up.

Yeah--CNN is the problem. Thank God Fox News taught you to call all news that you don't like "fake." How would we know the truth without good ole' Fox News? I am a research professor and I teach validity and reliability every day. So before I chant "fake news" like a gas-lighted, water-boarded cult member, I look into the process of acquiring information. Your accusations (above) are not completely true and they mislead. You cherry pick as well. This source is one of the most valid, unbiased research outlets that has a very small margin of error. You can dismiss this as "fake" without knowing anything about it if you want; I get it, the truth hurts. You are not going to like this, so get your Bactine and start preparing your distracting, misinformed and uninformed rebuttal. :https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/

I think, if people take this seriously and can stay isolated for a while, they can avoid it. I was supposed to see my aunt in Myrtle beach this week---she is 75 or so--not going.

As I said, the podcast doc said up to 480,000 by his calculations. He had charts and graphs---can't argue with charts and graphs. Agian, not sure if it was globally or nationally--but since he was comparing the numbers to the flu--I am guessing high end of the US. A doctor/expert on one news channel (I watch them all, unlike some) said that he could see 150,000,000 people in the US diagnosed with the virus. If true, and the mortality rate is (making this up) 1/50th of that number, that still means 3 million---a bit higher that 30,000 flu deaths per year. I doubt nearly half the nation contracts the virus, however. I think that was a bit Chicken Little

Good advice. As a school administrator in Charlotte, we had to lock down the school like four times in about a six week period because gunmen had robbed this bank near our campus. Apparently the bank got the rep of having lax security--so every thug in a 500-mile radius started trying to rob it. It got so bad, the police replaced the security guard with a real cop. At any rate, the lockdown interrupts instruction and terrifies parents and children. After the fourth lockdown, I was visited by what we called the CMS "pacing police" who were concerned that we were a week behind Ballyentine (sp?) schools, where they had just visited. We were on the East side. I explained the lockdowns, etc. and they refused to accept it as a legitimate excuse. I asked them if they had ever been through one. They said they had "done the drills." I asked them to leave campus and come back when they have been properly trained to be telling me how to do my job. They did. I got a phone call---took another job a few weeks later. The point? Never trust leaders to understand or feel empathy for what you are going through. Do not listen to the noise. Be smart and take care of your own.

I do not think so---who is to say what is rational or irrational right now? One minute, I feel as if I am overreacting, the next minute, I am worried that I do not have enough hand sanitizer.

The irony is--this effects the top 1% (probability) more that the bottom 99%. At least in terms of contamination. Treatment advantages probably go to the rich guys. Jet setters, world travelers, hosting large, international events....odds are more likely. I am just glad they don't have a coronacomputervirus.

No you dont. Sounds like a "save face" move because they were hammered for this exclusion---inconsistent. He has attempted to ban nations and nationalities that pose a much lesser threat to this nation. The numbers were there- similar to ours-they had no argument.

I was going to make the point about populations of each...However, in fairness to Italy, they could not learn from other countries (even China at that time) before this thing was on them--we have learned from Italy--I hope.

Did not see that--was the reason they were excluded (and now included) ever rationalized?

We have the benefit of hindsight and observation of countries that are ahead of us--so to compare is probably not really fair. Here is an interesting article about Italy being "ground zero" in Europe: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronavirus-italy

But not the UK...

That sounds horrible. It is called "vicarious trauma." The guy I was watching also said that closing schools: 37% of nurses have children in school....what are they going to do with them? I watched my grandmother die by sitting with her, holding her hand, as fluid filled her lungs. It was 2 days before Christmas. When I think of Christmas now---that image is one of the first I get. It is traumatizing.

I watched a podcast last night where an infectious disease specialist / doctor/ Professor at Minnesota predicted, when asked to compare this to the flu (30,000 deaths per year) that the virus would kill around 480,000. Not sure if he meant world wide or nationally--but he was not referring to global stats in any other part of the conversation. He said it is just beginning.

See thread title.

So the travel ban is a good thing? The UK has cases, and they also have Trump resorts. Why were they excluded? If you can explain that logic, I will appreciate it. The travel ban does as much to prevent the spreading of the virus as building a wall helps reduce crime. The travel ban, if the answer, should have been implemented weeks ago if there was any evidence it works. That is when Trump--the real senile old fool--was telling America that the Coronavirus is a Democrat hoax. Trump refused to reassemble the committee that protects the US from infectious diseases like this when he ran them off in 2018. He refused to re-staff the committee when it was proposed in a bipartisan effort in November of last year. He did nothing. So tell me again about senile old fools--I am waiting.

and how would you be sure of that? Only 1 side is leading and can control the rhetoric. Neither White House official or their teams, which were responsible for coordinating the U.S. response to pandemic outbreaks across agencies, have been replaced during the past two years. In November 2019, a bipartisan group of lawmakers and experts formally recommended that health security leadership on the NSC should be restored. The white house did nothing. Pence got the call. Not to worry, Jared is researching this and will be back with some answers. If you think that is a 50/50 situation, enjoy the radiance from the gas lighting, Sorry, I should stay focused on football--but many of us are getting tired of Trumpers trying to force their nonsense on those of us who have him figured out--and it wasnt that hard and did not take that long to do.

I just don't get it--we have access to 1000 times more information (at our fingertips) than we had 40 years ago---but in many ways, people are dumber. Perhaps we need to teach critical thinking more in school, because facts are based on emotion and personal preferences.