MHS831

I thought the 2022 QB class was limited as well but a few 2021 possibles are returning, and if they develop, this could be a better class than in 2021. Let's face it, in 2021 we have 4 QBs and some other question marks. In 2022, I see 4 top QBs, but none with Trevor's skill set, but the top 4 in 2022 as it stands now could compete with the 3 other first round QBs, Fields, Lance, and Wilson. I think the following will be first round selections: Spencer Rattler Oklahoma Sam Howell North Carolina Jayden Daniels Arizona State Kedon Slovis Southern California JT Daniels Georgia Tyler Shough Oregon These 3 QBs have potential, and they could rise with a good 2021 season: Desmond Ridder Cincinnati Brock Purdy Iowa State Tanner Morgan, Minnesota So I see 2022 as a good year for QBs, but they are different animals-not all fit all systems. I would say the depth is going to be better, but the star quality is a bit underwhelming at this time.

Dolphins may be too pricey--what a lucky deal that was, to get Houston's pick--and Cincy may not budge. Dare we trade with Atlanta? They are unlikely to agree to a deal that would send a top QB to a rival. So that leaves Philly, and they may be the best trade partner, if you do not think a team like Dallas (rumors) or Denver or SF, or NE---will offer them more. In fact, there is no indication that Detroit is sold on Goff. So for us to have a winning culture, we win a meaningless game and miss out on what might be the best QB draft in years. Stupid, if you ask me. The best move is to bring in a veteran like Trubiski or trade for Minshew, trade back in the first, and build capital for 2022. If the QB does the job, great. If not, you stand a better chance of grabbing your franchise in 2022 than in 2021. It just seems to me that beating Washington cost us a first round draft pick---in 2022--because I see few scenarios where that pick is not part of a package. That is what this winning culture in a meaningless game cost us. Still mad at the chest pounding stupidity. There was nothing wrong with getting a long look at Grier in that game-trying to win. Nothing wrong with playing your rookie CBs. Not us. We gotta hang that 5-11 banner.

I am thinking this may boil down to Watkins, and I am not sure that is even an option or will be one we can afford, moving up in the draft, or gambling on a player like Trubiski or Mishew. People here are screaming for Watson, but the cost will make it nearly impossible to build around him. We will have a flashy, entertaining QB who gets sacked a lot, has no defense, or has no weapons--you cannot have it all. Familiar territory for us. Gardner Minshew on a good team would be good. Trading for him (a player, preferably (they need a DT, TE, and OT) would be ideal, but they have 2 first rounders in 2021. However, Minshew should not draw top QB attention, even though he quietly had good numbers in Jax. So a player, maybe someone like Thompson (or tag and trade Moton if he does not want to be here after 1 year), and maybe a future third rounder. Then you can use your first rounder to trade back for a future first rounder, acquiring the ability (along with Detroit) to move up in the 2022 draft for a QB. I am not sure there are any real solutions that do not require us trading away draft picks. And yes, I am pissed to be a fan of this "winning culture" that does not routinely win.

The better approach to thread may have been, "Will Cincinnati trade out of the fifth spot and risk losing Sewell if others want to move up?" I am not sure they would trade away the best LT (to protect burrow) to come out in some time--especially after watching their first overall draft pick getting carted off the field last year. Remember, Cincy is the land of Tony Munoz.

My wife calls me for personal fouls all the time--and "illegal motion," and "illegal procedure," and "interference." I am leaving when she flags me for "too many men in the huddle."

And I think "How good did she have to be to overcome the bias that I am sure she faced?" I saw the same thing you mentioned. Her spots were accurate, and I imagine Mahommes is tough to mark on the sideline---

And the plot thickens.... Holy crap--never thought of this.

I would add that my impression of the female officials was positive. They really did a solid job, based on my observations. Better? At times, equivalent--the rest of the time. Hats off to them.

With someone hoping to get a QB at #7?

I am not sure about Detroit--I doubt they go QB, but with those picks next year, they are set to give Goff a season and move up for a top QB in 2022. So I doubt it, but we should test it by asking them what they would take for Goff. Just window shopping, fwiw. But you cannot forget the teams who will not have a QB they like drafting behind us--hopefully, free agency and trades will fill a few of those openings, but as it stands now... a lot depends on teams within mortar range of moving up with Cincinnati, Philadelphia, and Detroit. I worry about SF, Denver, New England, Minnesota, and possibly Dallas.

Encouraging and surreal. Encouraging: We had 25% of the cap in dead money and we lost our franchise QB, star RB, TE, All Pro MLB, etc. and we were in most games--winning five. Surreal: No fans in stands, no preseason, no camp, etc. Just seemed like a bunch of scrimmage games.

Glad you did--it totally escaped my line of thought. Regrouping.

Certainly--Foles is not a starter, but is the best backup in the NFL (along with Fitzmagic, I suppose)

Destinations-the QB that seems to match the team best in my mind--no science or rumor involved--I can't help but wonder if WASHINGTON is not the third, mystery team. Maybe a division rival is why they need a triangulation of trade partners....Again conspiracy theory and blind speculation.

CHICAGO--GARRAPPOLO COLTS -- WENTZ NINERS--TRUBISKI EAGLES--FOLES Not sure how this plays out, but the result (if these are the teams) that makes the most sense in my mind. DARK HORSE, MYSTERY PARTICIPANT: Washington--If they did not want to be mentioned, it could suggest a division rival is involved.

It makes sense--but I will throw in a dark horse--the Broncos.

Going out on limb here: The Eagles? I will be here all week. Try the veal.

This is going to sound stupid on the surface--We probably need to keep Paradis for a season and re-sign Moton, and bring in a free agent, experienced LG. Draft the LT and RG. Reason?--the OL is about communication and you really do not want 2 rookies beside one another if you can help it. Defensive coordinators would feast on that. With that in mind, I have an interest in Myers out of Ohio State because he can play G for a season and move over to C in 2022.

That should scare the hell out of you.

No, it is a legitimate point--last year, no camp, preseason, etc. and you have a LT veteran and a second year player--not the time to move him to the left. However, if you plan on doing so after negotiations for a RT, etc. I think he might get a look there, but pay him as a RT, and maybe add a LT bonus?

It is a good tackle draft this year, so on day 2, I am nearly certain we will grab a LT--and hope he develops into the next Jordan Gross and not Greg Little.

I would not do that for fear of the memes that might launch. And since I started typing this, 3 extremely, very funny jokes were spun in my head.

Now we have a different coaching staff, but I have to say that there have been no suggestions throughout his 4 years here that they would move him to the left side--Last year, when we had crap at LT, Moton stayed on the right side. When Rivera was here and we had terrible LTs starting, Moton stayed on the right side. Maybe they are coaching him up, but you can't give him LT money and hope he plays there. I am of the mindset that they tried him there in practice and preseason and he is a RT. This is not my opinion--just reading the tea leaves-I would love to see him step into that role.

They know they have the tag, so they wanted to wait to see what the cap would be, I suppose.

Yeah, Weatherly is the no brainer, but KK and a few others are better post june 1. I dunno--we shall see how our capologist and new GM work this out. Moton is a no brainer and, in contrast with Joe Person's "30% (chance we retain him)" prediction, there is little chance (4.5943%) that Moton will not be in a Panther uni next season.