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Yes--he will need a good running game, weapons on the outside, a TE, and good OL. I am looking at Jones as a possibility if the top 4 go top 7 and we don't bring in Watson. I still think we get Watson, however. (Reason? Why would the Jets give up 2 first rounders and the rights to Wilson to get Watson? Miami is not going to dump Tua yet--they just drafted him, and he was coming off surgery and had no preseason.) The Falcons will bring in a young QB to play behind Ryan for a season or so (I am thinking Mond in round 2) and the Lions (Goff) and Eagles (Hurt) are not going to get into the bidding. So why trade for Watson? Those teams will likely trade back. Just my theory).

Clemson has 1 (soon to be 2) starting qb--this list makes it easier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_starting_quarterbacks_in_the_National_Football_League

I have read the same thing--Bama's schedule (Notre Dame, Ohio State, SEC, etc). His arm has been characterized as "average" and he cannot run. What does he do better than the others? What does Jones do better than Fields? Lawrence? Wilson? He is very smart, and progresses through his reads quickly. He has a quick release. He is accurate. If his arm strength and mobility were problems, would they not only have been a problem in college? Here is a statistic that suggests how large the difference is: Mac Jones ball out 38th fastest Justin Fields ball out 185th fastest https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/mac-jones-justin-fields-who-has-advantage-2021/ So how does arm strength impact efficiency? Why is Fields' release so much slower? So if Jones can make all the throws, but he can anticipate sooner and release the ball quicker, is Arm strength really a factor you want to use to disqualify him? That leaves mobility. Fields is a much better runner. Fields has the long term upside advantage, and for that reason I would take him over Jones. But to say that Jones does not belong in round 1 because he has an average arm-I ask you this, "Does he make all the throws?" A: Yes. And he reads the coverage and delivers the ball quicker than most other QBs.

Name a school known for producing QBs lately? Louisville? NC State? Oklahoma? Florida State? It is really hard to find one. I would have said the same about Herbert last year (Oregon--been a few years since Fouts played).

I do not see it. They are not (to the best of my knowledge) shopping in free agency. Keeping my eyes open, however. Not sure bringing in Tua or drafting Jones would be great for the locker room (Bama). Interesting to see what Philly and Detroit do.

Falcons: if I had Ryan and his contract, I might draft a WR in round 1 and Mond in round 2. Let him learn and work on fundamentals for 2 years, then Aaron Rodgers him.

I see that.

The objective here is not to compare Jones to Brady--it is to demonstrate how off many people are about QBs--the system, coaching, and skill sets matter. So if someone wants to say, "Waah. I do not want Jones and I am going to hold my breath if we draft him," Then the person makes a pointless statement. We should be examining his skill set and his college accomplishments and drawing intelligent, articulated conclusions. So if the only reason for a post is to tell us that the poster does not want a player but that poster provides no intelligent reasons, then it is a garbage, meaningless post. Its OK not to want Jones, but have some intelligent reasons to share (which was my point) because a player in college is not aligned to the player in the pros--as Brady demonstrates.

Yes--instinctive and subtle---it is the secret to his success, imo.

Here, I want to dissect the common perceptions about Jones and this post sets me up nicely--not attacking you, countryboi, just using the post to make some counter points. You may be right, but I would like to know the facts/stats that told you this---what was it you saw or read that drew you to this conclusion? Would you have called Tom Brady "generationally talented" as a Senior at Michigan? Jones broke the NCAA passing completion percentage record by completing 77.4% of his passes. In the Championship game, Jones completed 36 of 45 passes for 464 yards and five touchdowns during Alabama’s 52-24 victory over Ohio State in Monday’s In doing so, he set national championship game records in passing yards and competitions. Tom Brady's senior year at Michigan (with Jones' comparisons in parentheses): 16 TDs (42), 6 Interceptions (4), completion percentage 61.0% (77.4), and 2217 total yards (4500) with 7.5 yards per attempt (11.2). So if you call Brady a "generational talent", then you would not have done so when he was in college, based on the comparisons to Jones above. If he was not one in college but became one, then you would have to admit that Jones was about twice as effective in college as a player you describe to be a generational talent in the NFL, and you should be able to provide us with the reasons Jones as a college senior was more productive than the GOAT was in college, yet Jones is not a generational talent and the underachieving Brady is. Are you basing your opinion about Jones solely on the fact that he lacks mobility? Rhule said that Jones is very smart and most scouts drool over his ability to effectively and quickly go through progressions. Is running more important than his intelligence and accuracy? Just curious how one might defend the supposition that Jones is not going to be a generational talent when the GOAT was not a generational talent in college by comparison, and he just won a ring a few weeks ago--his seventh. Not trying to be a tool, but I am really interested in knowing what it is you all see that I cannot.

Ertz and CMC are Stanford boys. Nothing more than that, imo.

Yes, and he is probably available if you want to see what happens to a QB if they are not protected or given enough weapons---I would love to see how a real coaching staff uses a mobile qb--RR showed us how to run one into the ground to save his ass every year.

Or you won't be back at all if you are wrong.

Based on Verge's list, the Panthers want the Anti-Bridgewater--an athletic mobile, strong-armed QB--a Cam Newton-type QB.

Unless Alex Smith joins former college coach Meyer--and I see no reason Meyer would really want to do that.

Two teams scare me about taking him before us: Atlanta and Detroit. Of course, there is always the trade up, and if I am sitting there in the top 5 and I do NOT need a QB, I am selling.

What grade do you give me?: My friend used to be a good friend of Brandon Beane's. I knew Beane a bit, but not like him. Now my friend is the greeter at WalMart where they sell CDs that contain songs that some GMs might have heard.

We could have Fields' Field. Rhule's Rules. And when Chinn's Chin is in the game, you might see Snow on the sidelines of FIeld's Field. I gotta get Cable.

I can never tell with QBs in a year when half the NFL is going out. Gonna be like black friday at QBMart.

You are right--I was referring to another post (and others about stats--and I have done it as well) and was going to compare him to Big 10 QBs-not sure why I went SEC--I was thinking, Big 10, SEC--not as many QBs in the NFL as one might expect--In the Big 10, Cousins and a bunch of old guys--SEC? No better. ACC? Bingo. That is where they are coming from--but I abandoned that point because it was off topic-how my brain works. I was against Fields--wanted Wilson or Lance--(non Big 10, SEC) but I have been high on Jones. This video states one thing that is important for all QBs, but especially for Fields: He has to be in the right system--they have to design a system to accentuate his talents. Damn he reminds me of a smaller Cam. Very good thread, btw. I love these analytical pieces--better than "Jones sucks because I said so" threads. Makes me go back, watch more YouTube, read more about him, and try to reframe my picture of him.

Well, I appreciate your contributions and insights--I think you do an excellent job of explaining to everyone the context and source--it really helps me get through February-March 17. I am curious about 1 thing: Would it benefit any team to trade BEFORE free agency? So when you say, "before the draft," I wonder about the strategy-I do not see QBs in free agency that may threaten this deal, so... (you may have already addressed this 2 posts earlier)

It does. I think that is my point as well--you are not a fortune teller, but you are sharing the internal "grapevine" stuff that we are not privy to hear--which is why it is not news, but informed rumor--opposed to what we otherwise hear. I did not know the level scout or the rest of your first sentence, however--and that does help.

Don't get me wrong, I like him, but how many stud college QBs from the SEC do we see crash and burn in the NFL? So using their stats is fool's gold, to some degree, but it is all we have to go on. I prefer someone who can break down the position and see what he does well and does not do well---and that video (all we have, really) is a bit (as stated) "Sobering" at times. You get excited at first, but then you get a bit concerned. Can Fields be coached up? Probably. But these QBs are so risky this year.

Yes, and people have to remember this about Verge--Scouts (and friends) do not predict--they do not have inside information beyond the internal grapevine. So she shares what she hears--and things change from day to day, as we all know. But at the end of the day, it is like this-=-there is a fan level where people with a website repeat each other based on suppositions and what they appear to be good fits, and there is the underground NFL--where the people in the business engage is more informed chatter. That is more likely to be factual in the end, than listening to the draft carnies on the websites that compete for clicks.

I would deal him for a fifth to get out of most of the contract--I like the idea of bundling Thompson for a pick.