MHS831

When was the last time we had back to back sacks? \

Moton, Brown, and Horn. When your leaders screw up making stupid penalties, you are in trouble.

Legette is a bit raw and perhaps a bit slow. When the light comes on, he will be fine--if the light comes on

Isnt this the score from the game in Charlotte? Reversed. Now our D needs to get a stop--historically, we let off the gas

COKER!!!

The left side of the OL should be getting push. Damn Holding

a ball behind you is hard to catch clean--usually there is a bobble or need to adjust your hands--so the DB made a good play.

give him 4 seconds in the pocket and then rough the passer. Good plan.

This is how I see it. I think they looked past the Saints (I know) after a big win the week before. I am sure they will not do that this week. Last game, TMac was questionable (but he played) and Corbett had to start after being injured. Rico was coming off a Quad injury. Brown had an elbow issue, but I am not sure how it impacted him. Defensively, we sucked. Shough had 388 yards. The panthers had stupid turnovers and penalties. These killed drives.

he has been inconsistent, especially on the road--that is (in part) when you need the leadership, imo, at QB. He has to earn confidence in him (and himself). I do not trust him. I want him to be successful--don't get me wrong.

Going from memory, we had 2 OL out as well. The Saints are hot or cold in terms of run defense--but we are healthy-something rare for this time of year. So bryce has no excuses or reasons for sucking. The occasion is very clearly defined--we control our destiny. If Bryce screws up now, he will again.

This game, when it matters most against a team that is eliminated, could define Bryce's future.

If you had told me we would be doing anything but discussing our draft position, and whether or not tanking (or wishing for the Panthers to lose to improve their draft status) is ethical--I would have laughed at you. Now, as you know, I am thinking about hoisting.

OK, let's analyze this: Tampa Bay's last 5 games (including losses vs. New Orleans and Atlanta) November and December games: 1-5. The only win was a 3-point win vs. Arizona. Key games: Of course, if Carolina beats New Orleans Sunday, the Panthers are a game up with Seattle, and 2 vs. the Bucs. DECEMBER 21 is probably a "must win" for the Panthers vs. Tampa Bay, assuming the Panthers beat the Saints. If they lose to New Orleans, they are long shots. The Panthers are at home and are 4-2 there-with a stupid loss to New Orleans. A win could put the Panthers up 2 games with 2 to play. DECEMBER 28 is a huge date. The Bucs have Miami on the road and are home for the finale vs the Panthers. Miami has won 4 straight. The Panthers play Seattle at home. Seattle is 10-3 and 6-1 on the road. If the Panthers win, the Tampa games allows us to rest our starters. Imagine that.

Most of you probably know by now that I am in "hoist" mode.

I heard on some random news show this AM: (At 5 am-- I am rarely up then--I think ESPN (A white dude, a black dude, and a white chick) If the Panthers beat the Saints, they have a 70% chance to make the playoffs. If they lose, TB has a 70% chance. To me, that is high. With 2 games vs Tampa Bay left and a Dec 28 games vs. the Seahawks, I would say the percentage should be about 55-60%.

So they will reward a player with a huge contract for being middle of the pack by year 3. I do not see it--I think mediocre is worse than being bad. I am OK with this if they start developing "Plan B." Right now we dont have a plan B.

A RB has a short shelf life--coming off a good season in a contract year, their agents know this has to be the big payday. Keep the $$$ on the OL and keep young RBs in the stable. RARELY does a second contract pay off at RB. So I agree.

I did not see it--but my opinion is based on a very limited body of work

I want Max Brosmer--(Vikings)--he is way under the radar--loved him in preseason.

I am ordering a replica Lombardi with a Panther logo on it somewhere. I will hoist it one day. Yes, I said "Hoist."

Hey, brother, I agree with you. I am just reading tea leaves and reacting to what they are likely to do. I think we should be in the market until we have a top 10 QB. Full stop. However, since they seem hell bent on turning their hamster into a stallion, (and we have to consider Tepper's ego is in play here) I am starting from that position, 98.3% of the time, you and I are on the same page. Seek help.

I think the best way to make Bryce better is to make everyone around him better. This is why I advocate for a stud (top 5, eventually) TE. I mean, when we have been a good franchise, we have had a stud TE (Walls, Olsen) and ILB (Beason, Mills, Morgan, Luke, etc) so it is in our DNA. Expect us to address these areas this year. (An Olsen or Walls would help Bryce a lot). In terms of productivity, I think we are going to work with XL for one more season and ride the TMac / Coker momentum. Where else could we find a position to improve productivity? TE. A position that caters to Bryce's style and shortcomings, a stud TE gives him another weapon he has not had. The Panthers run a lot of 2-TE sets (I have seen 3) and they have a blocker (Tremble) who is great in the run game, a balanced TE (Evans), and Sanders is supposed to be the pass-catching TE. He had 340 yards last season and he has about 170 this year. If we are going to play around with XL for another season, it only makes up to add to Bryce's weapons in a way that does not put XL on the bench, basically ending his development. It makes sense to bring in a pass-catching dawg. The way the offense is designed, I see carrying 4, but its not ideal. Having said that, I mentioned Oregon's Sadiq in another thread, but I am starting to warm up to Vanderbilt's Stowers and, in the Olsen/Walls mold, I kinda like Endries from Texas. Of course, Stowers is probably going in round 2 and Endries in 3 or later. I still say, 5 months before the draft, that I would not be surprised if we take a TE very early.

The more experience you get in college the better your chances at the next level--(See, Nix, Bo; Richardson, Anthony).

I am not sure we'd pass up an edge or LB for a playmaking TE, but this year-the cards could fall that way. I said "I would not be surprised if..." and then Mr Scot tried to pin me down on it--can't trust him--married a Cowboy fan. I digress. I do think Bryce would benefit from him. I want a #2 WR-with Coker as our Adam Theilen II--but this suggests we are still waiting for the XL light to flicker on. Evans has been impressive, and Tremble is not getting the credit he deserves as a blocker. I still want a QB who can be developed as we give Bryce another year.