MHS831

I think that Jones will be there at 8 if he is not taken at 3. I think we take Jones UNLESS we have made a deal with the Jets for Darnold--even then, we could take Jones, Mills, or Mond. If Jones goes at 3, and Atlanta does NOT take a QB, we are a lock to get a shot at Fields and/or Lance. If Jones goes at 3 and Atlanta takes Fields at 4, then I think we could move up to #5 or 6 and grab Lance, just to keep Denver in our rear view mirrors. Here is some MHS logic: Trade Bridgewater and a #4 to NYJ for Darnold. They get a good backup at a good price for a season or two, we get a developmental 4th year QB. Then draft a developmental QB like Mills. Build the OL more and get a TE to go with Arnold. Do not count on Erving and Elfein to get the job done; draft a LT and G---and a C to take over next year. So if Darnold does not perform, you let him go. You have then been developing a young QB with some upside. So in my opinion, we probably take Jones if he is there--but what if we traded down with a team wanting to leapfrog Denver for the last top QB? Chicago, New England, or maybe Washington? Then we could add some picks, trade for Darnold, draft Mills or Mond, and it is possible that we would be in better shape than if we just picked Jones. Finally, I think Darnold will be better here--better weapons, better defense, better OL (maybe) and better TE (maybe). If someone can fix his lower body errors, he can be the steal of the year.

First of all, the source said he (or she--out of respect for Verge) guesses that Carolina would be a player for Darnold. Darnold has all the tools; if they could get his mechanics right, it could be the best QB deal of the off season. I would give the third (2022) and I would bring him in and put him through QB boot camp. I would hire a personal mechanics coach to work with his as much as his position coach. I would also draft Mills or Mond later and have the mechanics coach do the same thing. I think SF is not a lock to draft Jones, but he is ready to play in a good system, and that is what SF has. Lance needs time. It will be interesting to see--- But here is the interesting part of this: No mention of Fields.

I see the fit in SF--he seems to have the tools there for a QB like Mac.

Yeah--I got twisted.

I was referring to the fact that he coached with his father--and learned a lot from his father. I was not clear and my memory was foggy--did not check it. Knew they coached together--in a super bowl--the SF/KC super bowl--and with the WFT before that.

https://theeagle.com/townnews/sport/can-johnny-manziel-read-a-defense/article_959d3d8b-6213-5df2-ad42-8d76c35c4876.html https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/video/tiki-and-tierney-sam-darnold-cannot-read-defenses/ https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/mitch-trubisky-openly-admits-he-still-cant-read-defenses/ Yeah, its not only a racial thing until someone makes it one.

I loved Cam the person, but he had some problems that his tremendous athleticism was able to overcome at the price of shortening his career. I see your point.

With the exception of Namath who was, in my opinion, overrated, the Jets best QB is probably Chad Pennington if you factor in the length of time--Maybe an aging Testaverde. Heck, even the year Farve was there he threw 22 picks. The place is cursed.

when coastal pressured him, he was not effective. Of course, he had some drops, but that could be related to timing as much as any other factor.

It sure is looking like the wrong Clemson Tiger is nicknamed, "Dabo".

The police are investigating this due to public pressure. The fact that Watson goes to different women is disturbing; it suggests that the masseuse and not the massage were the focal point--but not a crime. We know this--a celebrity has to be very careful, and that is what DW is in Texas. This was not smart, regardless, because he made himself vulnerable. I have not been keeping up, but is there video evidence of this? It would seem, to protect yourself and your client, that sessions would be recorded.

Nuff said.

Using your argument, we should upgrade the OL and not QB. And there is something to that. Rhule used a word to describe Teddy that I think is important and accurate--he said, "Teddy has no sense of urgency." What does that mean in coach speak? Rhule needed Teddy to take the team on his back and drive the field to win the game about 7 or 8 times, and Teddy failed every time. Based on what I see about Teddy, his body language and demeanor do not reflect the situation. He is just going through the motions. He could get away with that in New Orleans with a good OL and WRs when nobody was expecting him to win, but here--he had to make plays. Is Teddy a leader? Is he fearless? Does he have confidence that he can make the throws? I watched a bunch of end zone video on him and I did not realize how much Teddy was checking down from open WRs. So yes, you can compare Jones to Teddy and you can compare him to a Fitzmagic, Dalton, Delhomme, etc. Jones had the balls to throw it up-and he had the dogs to go chase it down. We will see!

But I do not recall Watson and Mahommes being criticized for slow processing speed. Watson was a bit small and had a strong supporting cast; Mahommes was a reckless gunslinger.

Interesting. About Darnold---he had the same lower-body mechanics issues in college, and now, entering his 4th NFL season, he may be unlikely to change. And Fields--I see the Cam comparisons, I have made them myself--but I also see some Vince Young in him. I am really warming to the idea (as opposed to trading at least 2 picks to move up from 8 for the 4th or 5th best QB in the draft) of trading down and grabbing Mills. Stay with Teddy for a year, and develop the weapons and protection. And develop Mills in your system--or Mond, but Mond was not mentioned here.

It is a cerebral position. You really can't evaluate the man by measuring his arm strength, long jump, etc. Compare his weaknesses to others' strength--and write that article. However, there have been nearly zero Super Bowl winning QBs who were not very smart and quick processors. You all might have thought Eli Manning was not good. 2 rings. Drew Brees? 1 ring and he turned around a franchise and made it reputable. 2nd round pick. Russell Wilson? Very smart QB, although he was too short and limited for the NFL. Look in his jewelry box. Where are the raw talents like Ryan Leaf, Jameis Winston, etc.? Name a guy in a Yellow jacket that did not first have the ability to process quickly and speed read an NFL defense. Name a super bowl winner who was slow to get through his progressions. Look at all the speedy QBs and flashy folks who could not process quickly. Manziel comes to mind. Jake Locker, Mark Sanchez, Vince Young, Jamarcus Russell, Winston, etc. Some win games, but the game. I know that I am cherry picking, but if you want to cherry pick the quarterbacks who won with athleticism and were not known to be very cerebral, I got all weekend for you to come up with a name. So that is why there are question marks around Fields. Yes, the athleticism draws you in, but what happened in those games when he looked really bad? Could the Buckeyes adjust? I don't know. The scouts and GMs don't know, but we all know that every year, teams go all in on shiny stud athletes who lack the mental training and conditioning to adapt to the NFL complexity and speed. This will make some mad, but Cam struggled with it--that is why he held the ball and was sacked so much--and the OL sucked and he had no weapons to throw to most of the time--perfect storm. However, he was improving when his body said, "we done." So we can get all excited about the flashy athletic sports cars, but we better check under the hood and see how they handle. Zero to 60 is great, but so is visibility, consistency, and navigation.

Didnt Fitts mention his fondness for trading back and adding picks? I think we do that if we do not get the QB at 8.

They will keep him against his will or cut him.

Interesting topic, but I think IF we do this, we have to trade back from 8 and get some value--so picking the qb is "free". If I would not be opposed to dropping 20 spots--yes 20--for a first in 2022 and a late second in 2021. The first gives you the ability to move up in 2022, and the second allows you to draft a QB this year. So we'd get pick 28 or so, a 2022 first rounder, and a late second rounder. I just think that we HAVE to get a T and CB if we don't get a QB in round 1---by pick 40.

It is a bit like wasting a need position pick. Realistically? You are picking a backup who you hope never has to play. However, you might find a gem that steps up with coaching etc. but that is not the norm. I see backup QB as a big need when you are trying to upgrade your starter and if you don't, you go with the starter again. So technically, it is not fun to take a pick you hope never plays and you dream that he will.

The following is a direct quote from my OP post: "I wondered how he would look on the roster at Clemson? At BYU? At Alabama? At Ohio State? At NDSU? You see, the top 5 QBs in this draft played on teams that dominated their competition most of the time. In the tape provided, A&M went 4-4 in the conference, 8-5 overall. They were 8-1 in 2020, fwiw, so a young team matured under Mond's QB play. It is hard to say that Mond would not do as well as Fields at OSU or Lance at NDS, but there are reasons to think he might be as good. " So, yup.

We have Chinn. Not as worried as I might otherwise be about Pitts.

So you think Burrow is going to get what he wants? I imagine that was a bit tough to decide--- If the Niners take Jones and Atlanta takes Pitts (I think that is what both teams do), then the Bengals will take Chase or an OT. Miami and Detroit will get trade up offers. Do we love Lance or Fields enough to move up? I do not think so and hope we do not.

Darnold has more mechanical issues than both of these QBs, but more gifts. and he has had 3 years to resolve the ,mechanics (footwork, mainly) and he has not--so I do not see taking Darnold as a step up in terms of potential--and that is what we are going after at this point. I am one who thinks we need a CB. If the top 5 qbs were gone and Pitts was somehow there, it would be hard to take any other player over him.

So if the top QBs are gone and we decide instead to take the BPA and build around the QB position (Maybe trade back for a second or third rounder), is there anything wrong with doing some mining for QBs in the second round? Imagine we grab a stud LT in round 1 (I see 3 that qualify) and add a pick in the process so we can trade back up and grab a CB. If we do that, it is probably a good draft. However, there are two QBs getting some late buzz and after watching some youtube I have decided both are possibly worth taking a look. We need backups as well as a starter, moving forward, so why not grab some depth and see if he can become more. Trask falls into this category, but I am not going to include him here. Why? Because he had a bad game with a roster full of people not sitting out the bowl game. Lets move past Trask because some have already determined that he is the worst QB to ever wear a helmet. The two I am hearing about are Kellen Mond and Davis Mills. Personally, I think Mond has starting potential, and I think Mills could get there. So if you have an extra second rounder, what would it hurt, if you did not get the QB you wanted in round 1? Here are some films--and I think they show some good things and some bad. Mills: He had a good UCLA game and seemed to get better as the year progressed, but he should have returned to Stanford for 2021. He is 6'4" and has some mobility, and he anticipates WRs getting open really well. He can drop the ball over LBs and under safeties as well as anyone I have seen. He also has some moments when he is inconsistent. I would love him as a backup with a chance to become a starter by about 2022, but not so fast. Mond: I only included the Clemson video and they brought the house a lot vs. Mond. He was at home, so that helps, and he made some really good throws against a pass rush he is even unlikely to see on the pro level. A&M could not block Clemson. Mond was forced into some quick decisions, and made some rather impressive decisions and throws. I wondered how he would look on the roster at Clemson? At BYU? At Alabama? At Ohio State? At NDSU? You see, the top 5 QBs in this draft played on teams that dominated their competition most of the time. In the tape provided, A&M went 4-4 in the conference, 8-5 overall. They were 8-1 in 2020, fwiw, so a young team matured under Mond's QB play. It is hard to say that Mond would not do as well as Fields at OSU or Lance at NDS, but there are reasons to think he might be as good. Mills seemed to get better as the year progressed---so I thought the QB school guy would be OK to show that. At times he makes good points, and at times he rambles to impress you about his football acumen, but he gives it his best, so hats off. Davis Mills, Stanford Kellen Mond, Texas AM One final detail--Mond seems pretty intense when he plays--happy feet at times, where Mills is more methodical and calm. I could not help but notice (in the thumbnails above) how calm Mills eyes are vs. Mond's. Wonder if that means anything?