MHS831

Some people just look for something to bitch about (yes, I mean you). 1. I put him in the top category--he was decent to good, and because he was good on 2 Sundays, does not make him great. He was a .500 QB (since you equate wins to QB greatness and his super bowl years he was a combined 19-13 during the regular season.) He beat the same team twice--they had their number. His QBR for his career was 84.1. Sorry that is not great in my mind. So do you think Marino sucks? His overall W-L record was 147-93 and his QBR was higher. Never won a super bowl. Trent Dilfer won a super bowl. He was over .500 as a starting QB for his career and he made a pro bowl. You gonna put him above Marino for winning a super bowl? Is he lalmost as great as Eli? Your reaction is the trash here.

Doesnt David Carr have one (Giants)

1999 Tim Couch Bust 2001 Michael Vick* Got figured out 2002 David Carr Bust 2003 Carson Palmer* Good, not great 2004 Eli Manning* Decent to good 2005 Alex Smith* Up and down-not great by any means 2007 JaMarcus Russell Busted before first game 2009 Matthew Stafford* Solid--bad team every year 2010 Sam Bradford Richest bust in history (IR hall of fame) 2011 Cam Newton* No OL cut 5 years off his career 2012 Andrew Luck* Not sure if he loved football more than life 2015 Jameis Winston* crab legs and jellyfish brain 2016 Jared Goff* Good OL, good D, still struggled 2018 Baker Mayfield Seems to be coming around 2019 2020 Kyler Murray* joe Burrow Seem to be coming around Annually, teams were pumped about these qbs. Since 1999 there were 15 QBs drafted first overall. I see 5 (red) that fall into the "BUST" category (.333) I see 2 (green) that had moments, but hardly stellar careers (.133) I see 3 (purple) that have yet to turn the corner (too new): (.200) I see 5 that had good careers despite their surroundings (.333) and of those successful QBs drafted since 2009, They all have career-shortening injuries and have had multiple surgeries These are all QBs drafted first overall over the past 22 years.

I am banking on the craziness of this draft to win this thing....

Bastid. As soon as we made the bet, I read the article about Horn. Still, you know what they say about people who talk smack before the event---they say, "they probably shouldn't do that cause anything could happen."

Seriously---if we make a bad pick, we do not need to know that you are pissed off about it. We can assume that. This is a web site for intelligent discourse, not a teething ring or a punching bag for basement dwellers. If you like the pick and feel the need to tell someone else they were wrong--understand that most people are wrong--it does not confirm that you are smart any more than that illuminated, framed, GED above your fake mobile home fireplace does. If you want to comment, there will be a thread for each pick--no need creating one. If you decide to create a threat like "Fitterer is an idiot" then bring evidence such as his health records, IQ scores, Emotional Intelligence survey scores, etc. If not, provide a screen shot of you psychiatric license. If not, go out for a run instead.

Don't know, but the blind side is different.

fwiw Miami Newspaper poll: They have a chance to get one of the top WRs in some time (Chase) or Waddle. They can get a T later.

Possible, but we need 4 things to happen that are probably not the odds on favorite--not all of them, at least: Atlanta takes Pitts over Sewell--possible. Cincy takes Chase over Sewell--somewhat possible Then two trades, and I see those trades being possible.

This. Atlanta is the key. Estimated Draft chaos to begin at roughly 9PM EST. Thursday, April 29 2021. My opinion: Atlanta takes Sewell, Pitts, or Lance in a long shot prediction. Yet I find it a bit odd that Julio is on the block. Chase if Julio is traded?

bet samuel goes top 45--some like him

Since Va Tech CB extraordinaire seems to have fallen in to the back end of the first round CBs, behind Surtain, Horn, Newman, and possibly even Asante Samuel could move ahead of him, you may be afraid of his back issues--and rightly so. However, he is a baller--tall CB, ball hawk, aggressive, smart. Without the back injuries, he might be the #1 or #2 CB on the board, going mid first. What is this about his back that has us so nervous? MICRODISCECTOMIES, silly. Microdiscectomies are considered fairly common, minimally invasive procedures, typically performed to relieve pressure on a herniated disc that might be putting pressure on the spine and causing discomfort. Tampa Bay Buccaneers tight end Rob Gronkowski is one of many NFL players who have had multiple microdiscectomies and been able to continue their NFL careers. Here is where they are located: And removing them is about like a spinal tap--sore and there is recovery time required: So let's see if he drops.If we get a top T or WR in round one, trade that third back up for this kid.

I am serious---you can't begin to comprehend the potential scenarios with trades, new GMs, question marks-- This is CRAZY.

I would say it is a possibility. 2 QBs is not a bad problem when you have 3 guys without much urgency who give it their darndest.

It really depends on how you use him---motion, slot, backfield---he is not a pulling guard, and the smaller guys are (you guys who played know this) they harder they are to give a solid shot. He is more than Samuel and more versatile. Of course, I want Smith/Horn etc on a trade back, but is it not funny to see how we have gone full circle-going from memory--we liked QBs, obviously, Parson, Sewell/Slater, Pitts, Chase/Waddle/Smith, and now Horn/Surtain. At least we are focused and know what we want.

Bringing the facts---I like it!!!!

In fairness, I am still pissed about the Sean Gilbert trade.

I think Pitts is the most interesting player in the draft.

Funny how people pick one outlier and ignore hundreds of other variables and present it as if it is a mic dropping statement of truth that dispels all points.

I see that. Cincy going with Pitts with Sewell and Chase on the board?

Here is why it is important.

You got half of this right---why?

Because so many look to me for support---spiritual, emotional, lumbar, and child---I decided to start a thread to give us things to hope for--and why. No charge. Please add to this list For example: HOPE FOR Denver to not draft a QB in rounds 1 or 2.....Because if they do not, they will trade for Teddy. San Francisco to draft Mac Jones......Because if they do, that leaves 2 of the top QBs left with only 5 picks remaining. Teams will trade up with Miami and Detroit for those QBs--or the Panthers. If they trade with Miami and Detroit, then that means Sewell, Chase, Pitts--the best 3 non qbs--will be there at #8, and we have trade value or a damn good player. Atlanta to not draft a QB.....Pitts is getting a lot of attention here. as is Lance/Fields and Sewell. They do not need a QB. They are looking to move Jones (rumor) so if that is true, could a WR or Pitts be the ticket? Cincinnati to draft LSU WR Chase.....It means that Sewell is still in play, 2 picks away. Detroit to draft a WR and not trade the pick....The Lions need 2--maybe 3 WRs. Their second biggest need is a RT, and there are no RTs at #7. Their best move? Trade back and grab a RT and WR later. Expect a trade, but if not, Waddle or Chase will be the pick. Still, I am about 70% sure this pick gets dealt. Carolina finds a partner to move back....Of course you have to take Sewell, but he might be the only player we grab. If Slater is there, maybe. Yet Carolina may play the deep T odds and move back with the LAChargers for Slater, grab Horn and a T later. While I really want a solid LT, I worry that we think we have addressed it well enough to skip T on day one and go after a top CB. As much as it hurts, it could be the smartest move, especially if a QB is there to help raise the rent for #8. Sewell falls to Carolina.....The best LT in years falls in our laps? No brainer. If he is not there and a big trade offer is on the phone, perhaps another no brainer. Please add to this as you think of them

If denver does not get a QB in hte draft, TB is a Bronco. If they do, who knows.

Players will obviously be cut after the draft to make room