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Kinda like antonio Brown--I used to think, "Good guy. Good player." I was half right.

In my house, that would do it.

wow. Hill is a weapon. What is KC thinking?

Corral is the definite sleeper, if you ask me. It seems that everyone thinks he is on the "B" list when he belongs at the adult table.

I think we may feel that we have it covered with Luvu and Haynes. Both were on the brink of breaking out--both simply needed more time on the field. Their production vs. the number of snaps they played was impressive--I see the point, but I think we might lose a sack or two, but we might not.

If you consider Pickett's fumbles, it might be a wash to start Willis and know that he will have turnovers as he develops. I just love his moxie, attitude, leadership, etc. He is going to learn and get better from his mistakes. He will make everyone around him better. For example, he was brushing his chest at WRs after they dropped passes. His first comments were the throws he didn't make. I see it. About Pickett: I saw some video of him as a sophomore (I think) and his mechanics were not there. During 2020, his mechanics (feet, delivery) seemed much improved. It is possible that they worked on his ball security as well (I think I read that he had 3 fumbles last year). I think Willis just nudged Pickett in my mind--but it is very close if not a draw in my mind.

me neither.

I think your first round predictions are accurate in terms of value, but (and it is not on you to include speculation of this nature into your journalism) but if the Steelers' determination to get Willis is true--it will shake things up. I think they will have to wait to see if Detroit passes and then trade up to #5 or sooner. If so, the Steelers and Panthers will take QBs in the first 6 picks. Since I do not think Atlanta (needs) will take a QB this year, it is possible that Corral is taken by Philly or New Orleans. Interesting stuff and you are on the money. The 38 fumbles bothers me in a league where the average difference between a win and a loss is less than one score.

He is fast enough--so are Pickett, Corral, and Howell.

About drafting and starting a QB in a weak QB draft: Last year was considered a deep draft at QB, with 5 going in the first fifteen picks. Trev Lawrence 3600 yards, 12 TDs, 17 Ints. PFF grade 59.6 Zach Wilson 2300 yards, 9 TDs, 11 Ints. PFF grade 59.3 Justin Fields 1900 yards, 7 TDs, 10 Ints, PFF grade 64.2 Mac Jones 3800 yards, 22 TDs, 13 Ints, PFF grade 79.3 The top 4 QBs to play much last year (picks 1, 2, 11, and 15 of the first round) combined for 50 TDs and 51 Ints. So does this mean that NFL prognosticators were wrong and this draft class was over-hyped? If so, could this year's group be under-hyped? Could the following actually outperform the 2021 class during their rookie seasons?: Pickett Willis Corral Howell Are they destined to be worse that the "deep" QB class of 2021? Could they be? MY THEORY: I think this demonstrates one thing: You need a supporting cast to play QB in the NFL. The first two picks are the worst QB performance because they went to the worst teams--the Jags and the Jets. The Bears drafted 11th, and Fields' numbers were not good, but his PFF score was higher than the #1 and #2 overall pick. The fourth QB listed (I did not include Lance because the Niners were not the third worst team but had the third pick--they did not play Lance enough to qualify-but when he did play--5 TDs vs. 2 Ints with a 59.9 PFF rating) went to a team picking in the middle of the first round, and he had the best numbers by far. He also had a decent defense and a coach willing to design an offense to cater to his QBs strengths and weaknesses. When there was a game vs. the powerhouse Bills in a wet, very windy environment in Buffalo, the coach--knowing that Jones' arm is not very strong-ran the ball all but 3 offensive plays. Bill B. willed his QB to a successful season, and even though his skills were far behind the gifted QBs that were drafted ahead of him, he was far more successful. He was on a better team with a better defense, allowing him to manage games instead of (like Cam did for us) carry the team. Do we have the staff to do this? Do we have the protection up front and the defense? In other words, how well the QB grades out on film and at pro days is not as important as when he is put into the system and his role with the team is defined. That is why some of the best QBs in college bust, and some of the QBs drafted late (Joe Montana, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady) do well--they went to teams that knew how to maximize their skill set and keep them in situations they could manage.

I have no idea. Was a lot of hype, if you ask me, but he has skills

I watched the QB school and he pointed out some mechanical issues with Corral--they could be corrected. One: Throws from his toes at times. two: Skip step to throw deep ball (The NFL will not allow that) those were the two main things that were pointed out

We should all hope this pro day goes well. I like him--SEC QB, bigger hands, etc.

If there is one player, you don't have to go to the pro day, you can have a private workout when it is convenient.

Yes, the only criticism I have heard is about his "frail" (thin) body. But Simms said he is perfect for the "new" NFL offenses. It would make me feel better if he shines today.

Me too brother. I am just posting stuff but I can't predict squat.

Interesting--and that could mean that the Panthers saying they are not interested in Baker is simply because Cleveland was asking for a high pick. Or they aren't interested in Baker. Jimmy, coming off shoulder surgery is problematic. He will not be throwing (if all goes well) meaningful passes until July or August. The panthers are looking at QB, but man their obvious appearances and antics at these pro days are either brilliant smokescreens or they reveal that they have made a decision to draft a QB

Rhule's year 3 in college were good years--let's see how he is in the pros. Man I wish I had a simple answer to this question. Remember the bad weather game that the Patriots won against Buffalo and they threw the ball only 3 times? That was Bill B. protecting Mac Jones from his weakness--no arm strength in the wind. That is a great example of a coach understanding the limitations of his QB. I think that game sent a message to coaches with young QBs. The OL we are drafting? All good in the run game. RB Foreman? A pounder between the tackles. I see a strong run game, play action passes, slants, and a lot of screen passes in the young QB's future. So I think there is a way to bring a young QB along while he is starting. Our defense needs to step up--that is huge, but if we can stay in every game, we can win them. Not ideal, I know.

I imagine that in years past, the Panthers were not at Liberty's pro day. Why would the Panthers send a representative to a pro day when they are not interested in any of their players? Jackson State is not prime time this year.

Folks, I see why people who firmly support Cam would think some are being racist because they have trouble hiding racism, but I also think it is worse to make those who are not being racists into racists. We are Panther fans, and we love most all of our players, regardless of race. Honestly, I never think about it, but I am not a minority, so it is not for me to decide how an African American or Hispanic might feel. The best thing whites can do is listen with empathy and try to understand how a situation might feel or look from another perspective. Just because something has been normalized does not mean there is no bias behind it. I can easily show you exceptions to every stereotype. That is not to suggest that anyone is ever 100% right or wrong, it means that there are several points of view other than your own that may not be real to you, but they are real to others. Here is what I do know: Cam was given a great shot in New England and it did not go well. He was given a shot here, and it did not go well. You all cheered when he would dive into linebackers in the endzone, or when he would lunge head first into a wave of defensive backs seeking a first down. I cringed. I predicted (here, on the Huddle) that Cam's career would be cut short, lasting about a decade--I was called a racist. I have seen people called racist who--from my point of view--did not deserve it and I have seen posts that were dripping with racism. But the person to blame for opinions about Cam is Ron Rivera and his staff. I blame Rivera for putting in the option, QB draw, etc. to help him win games. He should have fined Cam for not sliding. I knew (posted it here) that he was wearing down his star QB. He manipulated Cam's will to win and willingness to do whatever it takes to do it--essentially, that is what coaches in the NFL do to players. And Rivera won "Coach of the Year" as Cam spent his evenings in the ice tub. Cam was done before he knew it and before Rivera was willing to admit it. And when Cam could not win games for him any longer, the Panthers knew it too, and refused to offer him a third contract. Rivera lost his job and had to move on. So did Marty. The person that they rode for just under a decade could no longer carry Ron or hide Marty's mistakes. It was sad. So I get wanting to see Cam come back and go out on a high note; he sure did that for us for about 8 years. However, I do not see any more high-level football in his future because his body, for the first time in his life, is failing him now. It is not father time, it is wear and tear. This is not about race. It does Cam a disservice to make everything involving his career about race--Cam rose above it. He was loved by all Carolina fans and hated by our enemies--as God intended. About the pocket passer/"running QB" debate: Think of it this way: An NFL running back peaks around age 27-28 and the dropoff after that is incredibly steep for most. The hits add up. When your QB, usually in worse position to be taking hits becomes a frequent runner, their bodies are not immune to the RB pounding. That is why many "running" QBs have short careers--they are part RB. Cam was part Fullback at times. Cam was never the most accurate passer, but he was successful because he had the run game. At 33, the run game is not what it once was by any means and the accuracy (due to surgery) is less than what it was. As for Cam Newton, he was the Panthers' greatest player because he was more than an entertainer and icon. He was superman. But over the years, the pounding he took with a big smile on his face became small doses of kryptonite--eating away at him gradually. I think Cam is done, and I think we owe him our gratitude and respect for putting everything on the line for us. I could be wrong, but that does not make me a racist--it makes me a realist.

I guess Tepper wanted to get to year 3 with him--that seems to be the magic year for him in college.

I just checked a mock draft (today's date) and Willis was going to the Lions at #2. That is consistent with the banter on a few Detroit message boards. There was concern that Goff is better than Willis, but would not be by 2023. I see the Lions taking Willis at #2 or getting rich with draft picks from a team like the Steelers to move up.

I hope they like 3 equally-then trade back. Trade back--When the undrafted QBs on your top 3 list drop to 1, move up and grab him.

A few weeks ago or sooner, some of you were saying, "We ain't trading back. Who would trade up?" Funny how things work out. They will be fighting over these QBs like seagulls on the beach over a fish head.