MHS831

I think Willis will be the 5th overall pick--the Giants will trade out. The longer he is on the board, the better the trade back offers will be at #6.

I see that, but how do you sell year three (since Rhule arrived--year six since we last won) with the slogan, "Wait til next year!" I think we are doing all we can to win now, and I think they cannot go with Sam--or any veteran they might bring in.

I have seen a mock that had 3 going top 6 (Reuter/CBS, I Think) I will say it here first (even though I am sure others have said it) Corral might be the best of the lot---but my money would go on Willis. However, I think the Panthers would take Pickett all things considered equal. I look for Seattle to trade with the Giants (9 to 5) for Willis or Pickett--we want these three QBs to survive Detroit and Houstion (2, 3) and they should, I am guessing. Out of random thoughts--bye.

For no reason, I think they like Corral. So if he is there, they could take him. However, I doubt they really think the value is there at #6. If we do not hit on this draft pick, then the 2022 draft (for all intents and purposes) went something like this: First Round: Project/bust Second Round: Sam Darnold Third Round: CJ Henderson Day 3: A bunch of guys with a 20% chance of being on the roster in 3 years.

Brady (7 Super Bowl wins) is the only QB with 3 or more super bowl wins to win a super bowl on 2 teams. Manning has 2 Super Bowl wins on different teams. The others with 3 or more SB wins? Montana (4), Bradshaw (4), and Aikman (3).

I am looking at 2022 for now, but I see your point. If they are going with a rookie at QB, he will need a LT and a stout Defense. We lost Jones and Reddick and Gilmore without doing a lot to replace them. I hope that we are not going to put the rookie in positions where he is coming from behind all the time because the D can't stop anyone. Looking at the stats, I understand the economic decision to go with Luvu and Haynes to replace Reddick. I think you have to assume they will produce if given more reps and Burns should be entering stardom. I also think YGM is in year 3 and he will rise (Hardy, Charles Johnson, Rucker--year three was breakout time for each). However, I do not see Ioannitis as a replacement for Jones--we need a stud to keep Roy off the field.

I tend to agree with this--but I have heard about $ for a QB, a LT, possibly Gilmore--but not DT. Gonna be a long season if we do not find a run stuffer (and I have no issues cutting Roy--sorry Rhule if you are reading this).

As it stands now, we have to go with a fifth rounder or something like that-wasn't Nixon a fifth rounder (a good pick, by the way). I think Nixon and Ionnidis are better at pass rushing, and I think Brown fancied himself as one at times (when he should have been taking on a double team and anchoring) and I have no idea what in the hell Roy was doing.

figuratively speaking--if he is on IR which has been his MO...

I hope you are right.

He must have flashed because I was under the same impression, but his stats were minimal and his PFF score (like Roy) was in the 40s. I do not put all my stock in PFF, but they tend to give a more accurate account than my memory. Heck, half the time, I do not even know who is playing DT. DT is hard to gauge because it is generally a win if you can take on a double team without being moved or if you stalemate a blocker so the LB can make a tackle.

Anybody else concerned about the DT situation? (It is slow, so I thought I would throw out a topic we have not discussed in a while) We have Brown--not playing pro bowl level ball, but year 3 is good to a lot of young DTs. He is a 320 lb run stuffer. We have Ioannidis---or do we? Washington fans say he is injured a lot. Pass rusher, not a run stuffer. We have Nixon--and he was pretty good in very limited action last year. We have Roy---he sucked. We have Hoskins---he sucked in limited action. I am hoping we can sign or find another run stuffer, but I would like to hear what Huddlers know about the DT situation.

Interesting point. QB might be depth for a while. I want to go LT, but we are not willing to lose for a year with Darnold. All indications (Watson interest, pro day turnout, not signing a free agent QB) suggest that we are drafting a QB. I honestly do not know which, however. I could see Willis, Pickett, or Corral. I think if Neal is there, you have to take him, make a trade for Jimmy G or Baker or another vet, and go to war.

I am somewhat confident he will be the pick, but I could see us going with Willis (if there) or Corral--we really have Corral undervalued because he was not active until his pro day. I think the Panthers really like one or two of these QBs. People might click this thread and make a post to tell you that this sentiment has already been shared and acknowledged, but I think that was on the Pickett pro day-it is interesting to see what people think now. I give Pickett even odds against the field.

It would be a long reach, and they have Trubiski--so I dunno. I hear Tomlin LOVES Willis--maybe they were hoping he'd drop to them--but that is highly unlikely. If the really want him--they gotta call the Giants (if he passes the Lions and Texans )

I realize that you have insider information and are probably not at liberty to say, because anyone who calls others "bud" must have sources. A Pittsburgh mock has them trading up to #5. While they obviously lack your knowledge, you must understand that there are those less intelligent than you who might think otherwise. Let them have a moment. https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/24/steelers-2022-nfl-mock-draft-malik-willis-giants/ https://stillcurtain.com/2022/03/26/steelers-malik-willis-trade/ FUN FACT: Did you notice in my first sentence I worked in "at liberty"? They are going to move up for Willis. That was a clever hint only you would detect.

Take a look at this mock https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three 4 QBs gone in top 12 picks.

3 QBs go in top 6; 4 in top 12. The mock for those who think QBs will go early and often. https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three It could happen folks. I doubt it, but it could.

Isnt this a contradictory statement?

I think the Steelers love Willis--and if Willis is available, we can get #20 and #52 and the 2023 first rounder. That is huge because the Steelers are likely to finish at the bottom in 2022--especially with a raw, developing QB. THAT would give the Panthers 2 early first round picks next year if they don't find a QB this year. I think it is a long-term play, but it is the play to make if Pittsburgh decides to get ahead of Atlanta (8) and Seattle (9).

Didn't Fitterer say that the coaching changes were the biggest moves they have made so far? McAdoo! Earn it buddy.

Can anyone tell me the significance of November 4, 2018? It is the last time Cam won a game for the Panthers. As much as I loved his game, all good things must come to an end. 11/4/18 was the end of the Cam run. Sad to see, but 4 years later, people are still screaming for him.

Couldn't you say the same for Darnold?

We just had a run on QBs in free agency. We had Wentz get traded to the Commandos, Ryan moved on to Indy, we had Wilson move on to Denver, We had the Browns give Watson $230m--Trubiski was signed by the Steelers. The Dirty Birds signed a backup in Mariota. There are still 2 teams (Seattle and Carolina) without a real QB and they would rather sit tight than to make a move. Of the available QBs, two involve trades---but not Cam. Cam requires no trade and could be signed for pennies on the dollar compared to these guys. 32 teams with about 90 roster spots dedicated to QB, and Cam's phone is not ringing. Are you sure that he is not done? Cam deserves our respect, but he is not on the NFL radar at this time.

There actually is a way, but it is unlikely. That is why I made 9 wins the peak--the best we could possibly do--