MHS831

If you really like CJ you do not trade the pick for any reason. Even if you have pretty much decided on CJ, you still want to do your homework. If you announce that CJ is the guy, why would Richardson, Levis, or Young waste their time visiting Charlotte? Why workout if the purpose of the workout is to confirm a decision to select another player?

I changed that on my master---I think I was not sure if Luvu was playing an Edge / OLB or taking one of the Inside LB spots

I would say that by the end of the weekend we could have both Hardman and Chark

I doubt he leaves Charlotte without an offer

I also think CB is a bigger need than we all seem to realize (because we are not talking about it).

Great points. Sold me on taking Downs at 39.

On Spotrac, Chark has a value estimated at $9.5m. That is a bit high, considering where the others have fallen. I think we will offer him a deal, in the 3-year, $22m range. Don't forget, Hardman is still out there. And I know everyone has already stamped a star on the side of his head, but Odell is out there too. That should make some excited, others nervous.

As disillusioned as I am with the WRs in this draft as early as early round 2, I might agree with this, then in the third round, trade up for WR Charlie Jones--I am high on him, and he seems to be ready to play day 1. I think he is a sleeper.

I want CJ, but I did read (take this fwiw) that he had remarkably few batted balls in college compared to other qbs.

My thoughts: WR is about as weak as I have ever seen it. My favorite, Jaxon Smith-Njigba will be long gone. Jordan Addison will also be gone. Zay Flowers could be there--I do not see a team taking him with a first round pick--it would be a reach, imo. Jalen Hyatt--I am not so interested because I read that he is a "one trick pony" and benefited from Tennessee's scheme--He was not very productive before that. Downs is small but he is a competitor--a slot WR who would sit Shi Smith down. Very small. I am not interested in Boutte--he is a bust waiting to happen--lazy route runner, drops. I have curious interested in Mingo from Ole Miss. Not overly productive, but bigger and with good speed. Rashee Rice (SMU) is a potential day 2 pick for the Panthers, but the Panthers could probably trade back a bit and still get him. He had solid improvement in college. When I consider the immediate needs of the Panthers, I think it could be possible to wait until the third round before drafting a WR, assuming the chips don't fall as planned in round 2. Charlie Jones had over 1100 yards on 110 catches in the big 10. He is a great route runner and has excellent hands. He was in college for 6 years, so he is 24, but that maturity might be what is needed right now. The more I read about him, the more I see him as a sleeper, even though he was All-American. If Dalton Kincaid were to fall to us in round 2, you have to take him. He would be as much of a receiving threat as any of the WRs left on the board, and he would play in the slot or even out wide at times. If I took Kincaid in the second, I would go after Jones in the third. So my "realistic" Day 2 Big board 1. Pick 39-Dalton Kincaid (TE, sorta) If he somehow drops to 39, you take him. 2. Pick 39-Zay Flowers WR. I would say that there is a legitimate reason to suspect that he will be there, but his value has been rising. 3. Pick 39- Josh Downs WR. He is a gamer, undersized etc. but he brings it every play. Depending on if the Panthers feel they need a slot at the time. 4. Pick 39-Jalen Hyatt WR. Ate Bama alive, but some say that he (like his QB) are "products of the system" so you can't use his stats to rate him. I am not that high on him at this time. 5. Trade back in round 2--Rashee Rice. I think he will become an excellent pro. If we took him at 39, I would get it. 6. Trade back in round 2--Jonathan Mingo. 6'2", 220. Reminds me of Moose. 7. Round 3--Charlie Jones. He has good speed, a polished route runner, good hands, and was very productive in his sixth year of college football. He is 24+, and could be ready to play right now.

On my board, I had Flowers going in the first round---lotta buzz about him.

OK, let's say we signed Chark. Let's say we drafted Jalin Hyatt, Tennessee WR at #39 (or Josh Downs--depends on the type we need.) That gives us: #1 WR: DJ Chark #2 WR: Terrace Marshall Jr. #3 WR: Jalin Hyatt #4 WR: Laviska Shenault #5 WR: Shi Smith #6 WR: Derek Wright I expect improvement from Marshall, Shenault (used better), and Shi Smith.

that's me.

He's not leaving Charlotte without a contract.

We can help. I will start a thread titled, "Talking Proudiddy off the ledge" because I am that kind of guy. There will be a poll (nothing complex, just "jump!" or "don't jump"). Here for you.

Seriously--that is Schefty's life--if it gets out that sources can't trust him--whether deserved or not--it could hurt his credibility

Yes, but with the Saints, they spent a huge percentage of their cap on their Center and Guards--more that the tackles if memory serves me. Remember when they had Evans and Warford and Ramcyk and some all pro center? This article demonstrates the problem with Brees when things up front went bad: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2266260-poor-play-at-guard-center-is-making-life-difficult-for-saints-qb-drew-brees

The headline "Young now the favorite" is simply not what Ian said, and it is not factually accurate.

He does seem to have that "it" factor, the kind of person who can handle the ups and downs with class. But every time I give Young a compliment, I turn around and say just about the same thing about Stroud. I'd like to say that we can't go wrong with either.

Yep. Lotta people will get mad because the Panthers did not pick their guy, but I trust this staff and think there are 2 top QBs in this draft. I will embrace either, even though I have my preference.

I throw stuff out there and everyone's feedback helps me find my blind spots. I would actually make some changes now--so I appreciate the feedback.

If you read that article in the Panthers.com, the Georgia Players seem to heap the most praise on Stroud--and they should know. They talked about Young's personality--and I think he is probably a great guy--but they described Stroud as calm, unflappable, accurate. What else do you want in an NFL QB?

Right--if we take Young, we have to maintain an offensive line like the Eagles this year, the Saints of the Brees years--he cannot run, he needs to check down or throw it away. He can move within the pocket (Brees was the best I have ever seen at that) but he cannot take a hit. Young may have the best intro into the NFL, but I just see Stroud as having the most successful, longest career. Fun stuff to analyze.

I am confused. I go by one rule, and it requires being honest with myself: I SUCK at picking QBs transitioning from college to the NFL---I am terrible at it.