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I don't really know about these guys yet--except that I think Bradford could be a stud. Are we going to draft them late (after a trade)? Are we hoping to make connections for Undrafted free agents? It does reveal the strategy for depth. (I think Bradford projects to a G, but I am not up to date on these guys yet).

A bit of clarity based on my understanding of the OL, which could be wrong: We signed Larnel Coleman from the Dolphins Practice Squad during the season. He is a swing T, to the best of my knowledge. Because he was added like that, many of us are not aware of him or how good he is....This from NFL.com following the 2021 draft: "Durable three-year starter with experience at both tackle positions. Coleman's long arms have proven to be effective at slowing his opponent's rush momentum and he's savvy with his hands in his pass protection approach. His knee bend is average, which hinders his consistency protecting the edge in both the run and passing games. He's athletic in space and should be able to compete in all run-blocking schemes. While his pass protection is average by NFL standards, he has talent to work with and offers swing tackle potential..." McCray was developed by Campen in Houston to play center, so he can backup many positions. Here is the article: https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2021/10/23/texans-justin-mccray-credits-james-campen-transition-center/ Christensen is the backup LT---think Travelle Wharton. Mays can also play Center. Tecklenburg may be history. So we have depth--it is a bit thin. Here is how I see it LT: Ewonu, Christensen, Coleman LG: Christensen, Mays, McCray C : Bozeman, McCray, Mays RG: Corbett, McCray, Mays RT: Moton, Coleman I agree that we will probably add 2 linemen, getting the number to nine, but we have depth with 7, even after I took the liberty of cutting Tecklenburg. It is not ideal to have your LG as your primary LT backup, but if Coleman is a true swing T, we could have it covered--on paper. I see a G added late. Not sure about T if they like Coleman.

I am in favor of Young, but Stroud is a very good player, and he seems to be humble and very morally grounded. He seems smart. What about that says, "uncoachable?"

Funny how much stuff comes out about folks just before the draft. I take this with a grain of salt-- Everyone is fighting for clicks, and the more the attention turns toward the draft, the more some people are going to exploit some minor comment or point taken out of context. From what I have seen and heard, CJ would be a great teammate and player, and I doubt he is no more difficult to coach than Russell Wilson, for example, and we never heard that much about his dispositions.

Looks like the Saints and Falcons have a few Big 12 games scheduled.

Smokescreen? Watch the film. Young is an incredibly fast processor and we need to protect him--if you want a QB who can run over a LB, he ain't your guy.

those of you who are familiar with me have read my comments about Steve Smith--he was counterproductive to the other developmental WRs--how he abused Dwayne Jarrett. When Smith is talking about Bryce, he admits his "immaturity" and says, "it wears on people" calling himself an Alpha Dog and not a leader. I was shocked to see him admit that, but maybe he has grown up. He is very smart, and apparently, has done some reflecting.

Yes, he did, but he did not catch them all. As a former college pass catcher, I can tell you that some QBs throw a ball that is more difficult to catch than others. Velocity, timing, and location of the pass matters. Cam's ball was probably more difficult to catch than Brees' ball.

I kinda want Young for his mind (but I do not know the mind of the other qbs--I am also enamored with Young's consistency) but I want Stroud for the security of being more from a proven mold. Either is OK if they use them correctly. I feel Reich will. I think Wilks showed us how to use a qb correctly (with limited talent) so I know it can be done. Rivera? Only interested in Ws and his job.

Its all about the processor--and it is a bold strategy

I think they should sit all the Stroud supporters on the south side, and all the Young supporters on the north side. The endzones are for AR and Levis fans--and all undecided fans. Then give out black and blue water balloons. Below, Mr. Completely demonstrates the concept:

I think it is rather silly to have 2 sides--I see the value in each, but to take a side and argue it as if you are certain about your correctness is foolish. I am 51% Bryce because I think he has a Mahomes/Brady type mind. However, I definitely see the reason we would take Stroud. It just depends on your offense, what you want in your qb. The only thing I have heard is "point guard" a few times, and to me, that points to Young. So far, I have been defending Young a bit lately because I think the size issue is overblown when people use that as an excuse to want Stroud. Go back and watch earlier Ohio State games and not just the Georgia game and his highlight reels, you should question Stroud a bit. On the other hand, I have been making fun of Young's height as well. The thing is this--you just do not know and when we pick, you will not know then either. We will know around 2025.

I am just joking with everyone because anyone who claims to know is being ridiculous. We just watched a 6-5 250 lb running qb with a cannon get hammered out of the NFL in 8 years, yet people are all concerned about the size of the qb leading to injury. As stated, by FAR the most common QB injury is to his shoulder. By far. Secondly, there are studies that show how the QB is used is a bigger predictor of injury than his size. In fact, larger players have a higher injury rate. Now that brings me to look into the commonality of WHERE the injury is likely to take place for QBs---I found this: The QB is just about twice as likely to be injured when he ventures outside the pocket than within it. Size might impact vision and throwing lanes, but a qb who telegraphs passes gets more blocked than those with a quick release. So if his size is as big a factor as some are making it is actually the issue--we all know it is an issue of some degree. If anyone has decided that a 5-10 QB cannot be successful in the NFL because it has not been done before, that is probably because they have not been given the opportunity due to close minded traditionalists. This is a new era, and I think Young (and Stroud) will win games in the NFL.

then when he went to the saints, he caught everything. I think Cam threw a hard ball to catch. Didn't he split Smith's hand open once?

About the visits: They are going to Carowinds on their visit so they did not want Bryce slowing things down. Nothing to see here. First, Levis is not being considered by the Panthers. Second, are you arguing that we moved up to first overall pick so we could pick someone who was almost as good as Young without the resume? Loved the animation though--I laughed.

I guess when you are burdened with so much common sense that it gives you more knowledge than the experts, you just don't need facts to support your thinking. It just comes to you. I have noticed that I provide an opinion and back it with sources and facts and people argue with me--that makes me laugh at them--I am simply saying, "this is my opinion and here are the facts it is based on." They still want to argue--as if their approval is necessary for me to have an opinion. Sandbox logic. Or they dispute facts and data because in their brains, "it don't make no sense." Good point. Not to say that they are wrong, just to say they have not proven themselves to be right.

Do you have to know what they scored if the point was Young scored the highest? When I refer to someone being special, do we really want to discuss who came in second, assuming either did? "Young had the highest score in the S2 cognitive test among all the quarterbacks at the 2023 NFL Combine." That sets him apart from the others. In fact, he was not compared to them, he was compared to Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, and Brock Purdy. https://www.on3.com/news/nfl-insider-reveals-alabama-qb-bryce-young-had-drafts-highest-score-on-s2-cognitive-test/ And their coaches are going to be biased--getting players drafted early helps their programs. I consider a person who graduates from Harvard to be smart, but not when I am talking about Harvard's valedictorian. The coach that singled out Young's intelligence and processing was not Sabin--it was Reich.

So you think I said the other QBs have "rocks for brains"? Not going to start a discussion with someone who makes something up so he can argue against it. If you heard that from what I wrote, you are already biased and probably not open minded enough to engage in discourse. There is enough evidence to suggest strongly that Bryce is on another level in terms of his football IQ. You do not need me to explain that to you, do you? And it does not mean the others are stupid--it means that the same people are not getting the attention for processing and intelligence that Bryce is getting. https://www.on3.com/news/nfl-insider-reveals-alabama-qb-bryce-young-had-drafts-highest-score-on-s2-cognitive-test/ Reich: "I remember, a couple years ago at the Heisman Trophy presentation. My wife and I are sitting there watching him. He was so poised as a, I think he was 19 or 20 at the time. This guy, it's not an act; it's like who he is. It's ingrained in him. He's a special guy."..."Highly intelligent, very fast processor, very poised, accurate passer, playmaker," Reich said. "He checks a lot of boxes. No moment's too big for him. Very, very good player. Seems like a great young man. Very impressive." https://www.panthers.com/news/bryce-young-measures-up-at-scouting-combine Einstein was smart, but that does not mean everyone else was stupid. I expressed my opinion--Young stands out compared to the other three. Does that make the others rock heads? No. I do not think you are stupid, but your ability to see other perspectives seems to be diminished by your arrogance and desire to confront. Pity.

Here is a way people misinterpret the variables-- False statement: "Reich only likes tall QBs." QBs average about 6-3, and his QBs were about that. So you take an average commonality and claim that it is a prerequisite. MOST QBs are as tall as Rivers, Foles, Ryan, Luck, and Wentz. However, these QBs stand out more due to their intelligence--football IQ--than their height. Luck and Wentz are two of the top 10 in terms of the Wonderlic. Ryan and Rivers are no dummies. Not sure about Foles, but he seems to understand a variety of playbooks pretty well. Young has that in common with them. I would put him in that category--would I put CJ in that category? Probably not. Richardson? nope. Levis? Negative.

Do not feel bad about that. I used to be 5' 7".

It is actually an interesting story--a major school like OSU with only 4 first round qbs to be drafted and two died prematurely, one went to prison, and the other is too early to say-- Combined, they have started a grand total of 54 games (with Fields starting more games than the previous three QBs combined).

It was a joke--if you are not superstitious. Are you saying that you could not figure that out?

THE BUCKEYE QB FIRST ROUND CURSE Everyone is focusing on Young's size and hoping that it is not a factor. Nobody is talking about the fact that Ohio State University has produced the following first round QBs (only 4, oddly) and there seems to be a curse!!: Don Scott, 9th overall pick, 1941: drafted by the Chicago Bears. Scott went to war as an Air Force Pilot and died in a plane crash during a training mission in England. He never played a down in the NFL. Art Schlichter: 4th overall PICK, 1982 draft. He was a bust. For his career, a total of 13 games with the Baltimore and Indianapolis Colts, he completed 45% of his passes and threw 11 interceptions and only 3 TDs. He went to prison for gambling and other stuff. Was released at age 61 last year. Dwayne Haskins: 15th overall selection, 2019. In college in 2018, threw for 5,308 yards and 54 touchdowns. WOW. To Compare, in 2022, Stroud threw for 3688 and 41 touchdowns--that is a difference of over 100 yards and 1 TD pass per game. Haskins busted. Tragically, was hit by a dump truck and killed last year. Justin Fields: 11th overall selection, 2021 Draft. So far the most successful, Fields has thrown 21 interceptions in the 25 games he has started in Chicago. Of those 25 starts, the Fields led Bears have won 5 games. His career passing percentage is below 60% and he is averaging less that 1 TD pass per game started. So far, he is OSU's best NFL product at QB. The Buckeye curse is alive and well. DO WE WANT TO TAUNT IT?

BC was not that good at LG, but I think he should improve. As Ekwonu and BC improved, then we finally put Bozeman in, the OL got pretty solid. We will need to be very stout up the middle--and I like what I saw of Cade in limited action. not elite, but good.

I think missing out on an edge is a huge mistake, but I see this draft. Why is everyone drafting Guards when we have no real backup plan at T, unless we really like the player we signed off the Dolphins' Practice Squad last year. A T is more likely to move inside to G than a G to a T--so I am thinking depth here.