MHS831

I guess when you are burdened with so much common sense that it gives you more knowledge than the experts, you just don't need facts to support your thinking. It just comes to you. I have noticed that I provide an opinion and back it with sources and facts and people argue with me--that makes me laugh at them--I am simply saying, "this is my opinion and here are the facts it is based on." They still want to argue--as if their approval is necessary for me to have an opinion. Sandbox logic. Or they dispute facts and data because in their brains, "it don't make no sense." Good point. Not to say that they are wrong, just to say they have not proven themselves to be right.

Do you have to know what they scored if the point was Young scored the highest? When I refer to someone being special, do we really want to discuss who came in second, assuming either did? "Young had the highest score in the S2 cognitive test among all the quarterbacks at the 2023 NFL Combine." That sets him apart from the others. In fact, he was not compared to them, he was compared to Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, and Brock Purdy. https://www.on3.com/news/nfl-insider-reveals-alabama-qb-bryce-young-had-drafts-highest-score-on-s2-cognitive-test/ And their coaches are going to be biased--getting players drafted early helps their programs. I consider a person who graduates from Harvard to be smart, but not when I am talking about Harvard's valedictorian. The coach that singled out Young's intelligence and processing was not Sabin--it was Reich.

So you think I said the other QBs have "rocks for brains"? Not going to start a discussion with someone who makes something up so he can argue against it. If you heard that from what I wrote, you are already biased and probably not open minded enough to engage in discourse. There is enough evidence to suggest strongly that Bryce is on another level in terms of his football IQ. You do not need me to explain that to you, do you? And it does not mean the others are stupid--it means that the same people are not getting the attention for processing and intelligence that Bryce is getting. https://www.on3.com/news/nfl-insider-reveals-alabama-qb-bryce-young-had-drafts-highest-score-on-s2-cognitive-test/ Reich: "I remember, a couple years ago at the Heisman Trophy presentation. My wife and I are sitting there watching him. He was so poised as a, I think he was 19 or 20 at the time. This guy, it's not an act; it's like who he is. It's ingrained in him. He's a special guy."..."Highly intelligent, very fast processor, very poised, accurate passer, playmaker," Reich said. "He checks a lot of boxes. No moment's too big for him. Very, very good player. Seems like a great young man. Very impressive." https://www.panthers.com/news/bryce-young-measures-up-at-scouting-combine Einstein was smart, but that does not mean everyone else was stupid. I expressed my opinion--Young stands out compared to the other three. Does that make the others rock heads? No. I do not think you are stupid, but your ability to see other perspectives seems to be diminished by your arrogance and desire to confront. Pity.

Here is a way people misinterpret the variables-- False statement: "Reich only likes tall QBs." QBs average about 6-3, and his QBs were about that. So you take an average commonality and claim that it is a prerequisite. MOST QBs are as tall as Rivers, Foles, Ryan, Luck, and Wentz. However, these QBs stand out more due to their intelligence--football IQ--than their height. Luck and Wentz are two of the top 10 in terms of the Wonderlic. Ryan and Rivers are no dummies. Not sure about Foles, but he seems to understand a variety of playbooks pretty well. Young has that in common with them. I would put him in that category--would I put CJ in that category? Probably not. Richardson? nope. Levis? Negative.

Do not feel bad about that. I used to be 5' 7".

It is actually an interesting story--a major school like OSU with only 4 first round qbs to be drafted and two died prematurely, one went to prison, and the other is too early to say-- Combined, they have started a grand total of 54 games (with Fields starting more games than the previous three QBs combined).

It was a joke--if you are not superstitious. Are you saying that you could not figure that out?

THE BUCKEYE QB FIRST ROUND CURSE Everyone is focusing on Young's size and hoping that it is not a factor. Nobody is talking about the fact that Ohio State University has produced the following first round QBs (only 4, oddly) and there seems to be a curse!!: Don Scott, 9th overall pick, 1941: drafted by the Chicago Bears. Scott went to war as an Air Force Pilot and died in a plane crash during a training mission in England. He never played a down in the NFL. Art Schlichter: 4th overall PICK, 1982 draft. He was a bust. For his career, a total of 13 games with the Baltimore and Indianapolis Colts, he completed 45% of his passes and threw 11 interceptions and only 3 TDs. He went to prison for gambling and other stuff. Was released at age 61 last year. Dwayne Haskins: 15th overall selection, 2019. In college in 2018, threw for 5,308 yards and 54 touchdowns. WOW. To Compare, in 2022, Stroud threw for 3688 and 41 touchdowns--that is a difference of over 100 yards and 1 TD pass per game. Haskins busted. Tragically, was hit by a dump truck and killed last year. Justin Fields: 11th overall selection, 2021 Draft. So far the most successful, Fields has thrown 21 interceptions in the 25 games he has started in Chicago. Of those 25 starts, the Fields led Bears have won 5 games. His career passing percentage is below 60% and he is averaging less that 1 TD pass per game started. So far, he is OSU's best NFL product at QB. The Buckeye curse is alive and well. DO WE WANT TO TAUNT IT?

BC was not that good at LG, but I think he should improve. As Ekwonu and BC improved, then we finally put Bozeman in, the OL got pretty solid. We will need to be very stout up the middle--and I like what I saw of Cade in limited action. not elite, but good.

I think missing out on an edge is a huge mistake, but I see this draft. Why is everyone drafting Guards when we have no real backup plan at T, unless we really like the player we signed off the Dolphins' Practice Squad last year. A T is more likely to move inside to G than a G to a T--so I am thinking depth here.

I think we wanted OT Dawkins and then Buffalo jumped ahead of us and drafted him, leaving us to pick Moton. That was Marty Hurney taking Stewart--drafted him off the operating table--a running back--a year after drafting another RB in the first---then traded up to grab Otah. The next year, he makes up for it by drafting Everette Brown. Then he makes up for that by drafting Jimmy Clausen after 2 teams that needed QBs desperately at the time (Chiefs, Vikings) passed on him--- twice (first AND second rounds). In fact, Marty spent the night between rounds 1 and 2 trying to convince the Rams to trade the 33rd pick to him--I think that was the same draft that he traded up to get Armanti Edwards because the Colts bluffed interest in him. Sorry, what was the subject?

If this board is any indication of the Panthers' mindset, then I would expect the Panthers to be willing to go with Stroud or Young--so I make that trade and I get a 2024 first rounder. That could be the plan--doubtful--but if there is a situation in which they are playing rock paper scissors or drawing straws---do it.

What do you know about Lamel Coleman? He was a day 3 draft pick out of UMass and the Panthers signed him from the Dolphins practice squad during the season. Not to say he will eventually start, but is he that depth swing OT everyone seems to be looking for these days? Without a preseason, we have not seen or discussed him. I would hate to pull Christensen out of LG to move him outside, making us weaker at 2 positions should a OT get banged up. (Wharton used to be that guy, and I did not like it then). Of course, as happy as I have been with Mays--it could work.

That is why I want to wait until the third or fourth to address CB--

I said it first at a dinner party. 1. 5 Edge players ranked in the top 21. I think the Panthers might trade back from #39 if Ojulari is not there. Reason? If they want an Edge, You would have Felix, McDonald IV, White, Hall, and Foskey between #44 and #60. 2. CBs Juluis Brentz (K state) and Corey Trice (Purdue) are good fits and could be available with pick 93. I worry that there could be 2 lingering at #39 that could tempt the Panthers--Ringo and Forbes. My preference is to wait until day three and draft Terrell Smith. 3. If you really want a TE from this draft with the third rounder, take Luke Schoonmaker. He will be a solid starter in this league. He is a sleeper because he played behind one of the best TEs in the NCAA at Michigan, but he was still able to post decent stats. If not, Brenton Strange (Penn State) would be the TE I would target --https://www.nfl.com/prospects/brenton-strange/32005354-5218-8631-c965-3e23bcc23565 4, If you look at the WRs between #76 and #86, it is reasonable to expect one to drop to 93. We have already had contact with Mingo. So, based on this list, here is what I would do: Pick 39: If Quentin Johnson (WR) and BJ Ojulari (Edge) drop, I think the Panthers take that player. If not, I think they might consider CBs Forbes or Ringo. Personally, I want an edge in the second round, so I trade back in round 2 and take an Edge like Hall or McDonald IV. I would then (possibly) move up from #93 to make sure I grabbed a WR--Mims, Rice, or Mingo. Sleeper I would grab in round 4 (you heard it here first): CB Terell Smith (Minnesota). https://www.nfl.com/prospects/terell-smith/3200534d-4973-9042-a2e5-7a611c3c3214 So what would I do if the draft were today and I was given the job? 1. Bryce Young. 51% sure. 39. Assuming no player is there that would make me jump, I would try to trade back about 15 spots to about #54, adding a third round selection (somewhere around #85). With the 54th pick, I would take Edge Derrick Hall or Will McDonald IV. 85. From that spot, I am really eyeing WR because I like a few who should be on the board--Mimms, Mingo, and my favorite, Rice. I throw in my fifth rounder if necessary to move up to take Mims or Rice. 93. Brenton Strange, TE Penn State. 114. Offensive line depth--I would hope that USC Guard (with Tackle ability) Andrew Vorhees would drop due to the injury he is rehabbing. He would be ready to start in a year or two. 132. Terell Smith, CB Minnesota

Maybe just a coincidence, but as a child, his school bus only had 6 windows.

Personally, I enjoyed the Easter Bunny hopping. A lot.

I feel better about Young that Richardson because he has been very good on every level and I think his mind is elite. I worry about the size. I think Richardson is a great athlete, but that has not equated to being a great QB. I see them as being far from equal in terms of experience and processing. I disagree that people are putting too much emphasis on his football IQ and processing--as a QB, those are the most important traits. Ryan Fitzpatrick was brilliant, and very limited physically. During his playing time, many highly-rated QBs with all the tools were drafted and failed. Yes, he was a backup for the most part, but he used his football IQ and processing speed to be as successful as possible. Matthew Stafford, Alex Smith, Brady, Eli Manning, Andrew Luck, etc. are reported to be the most intelligent players in recent history. TE Ben Watson was the only non-QB rated that high--he and Fitzpatrick were tied. It could be nothing, but AR just does not have the resume Young has--Or CJ Stroud. He lacks experience and stats to compare to them. There is reason for concern, but I would not call them comparable---just my take--I appreciate your views because it made me look into it. I am sure there are bad QBs who were Smart--Leinhart, Gabbart, Logan, for example, but we really have not measured Football IQ properly, in my view.

Yes. I would say the oline, processing, etc. are much more of an indication of the likelihood to injure than one's size. In fact, more weight on the frame combined with more movement increases the likelihood for injury. I would love for him to be 6'4" and 220 but they get hurt too. In the end, who is the better player--leave the prediction injuries job to those who know-- Metaphor time!! Remember in Apollo 13--that astronaut was pulled from the flight because they thought he would get the chicken pox. He did not go, and did not catch the chicken pox. Instead, another astronaut got sick during the mission. Everything then went wrong--and they never landed on the moon.

I suppose I am listening to the wrong radio station. I do not own this 8 track either.

What does that mean?

Houston has 12 draft picks in this draft and 10 next year, including 2 first rounders. While they have many needs, it is possible that they could take Anderson and then trade up with Arizona and still get them both.

His parents said, "Let's give him a name that will cause him to fight his way through school." Reminds me of a NASCAR driver named Dick Trickle. Who does that to a lad?

AR scares me--I see boom/bust all over him---but if we draft him, he's ours and we have to be all in. Good attitude.

Back to the original single play that seems to have influenced people to think that Young will not be able to perform under center due to his height--the hand off was high--if only he had been shorter....